1 00:00:15,523 --> 00:00:19,103 Mother and Father came to me specifically 2 00:00:19,143 --> 00:00:22,323 and said, please, please. 3 00:00:23,283 --> 00:00:26,163 There was no one else that could've handled it. 4 00:00:27,203 --> 00:00:29,383 I mean, they said, please do not, 5 00:00:30,083 --> 00:00:33,243 do not desert them and what I can see is, 6 00:00:33,383 --> 00:00:36,443 is that everyone else in my family has deserted them. 7 00:00:36,483 --> 00:00:38,483 Maybe that was too big of a chore for him. 8 00:00:39,163 --> 00:00:41,303 (CRIES) No, it's absolutely not. 9 00:00:41,523 --> 00:00:47,323 I never thought I would be doing this by myself without you guys. 10 00:00:47,363 --> 00:00:50,523 I never in a million years thought 11 00:00:51,063 --> 00:00:54,103 that my siblings would not be by my side. 12 00:00:55,203 --> 00:00:57,203 (THEME MUSIC) 13 00:01:04,483 --> 00:01:10,123 Where schizophrenia is diagnosed between age 17 and 24, 14 00:01:10,163 --> 00:01:12,063 it's a tragic story. 15 00:01:12,103 --> 00:01:15,183 To be the part of the Galvin family, is to be part of a tragedy. 16 00:01:16,463 --> 00:01:21,183 This mutation was present in every person in that family 17 00:01:21,223 --> 00:01:22,443 who had schizophrenia. 18 00:01:24,263 --> 00:01:26,163 They might hear voices. 19 00:01:26,423 --> 00:01:28,363 They can command them to do things. 20 00:01:28,403 --> 00:01:30,203 Command them to do things. 21 00:01:30,283 --> 00:01:34,063 Throwing a cat into a bonfire. Dismembered a dog in the bath tub. 22 00:01:35,103 --> 00:01:36,323 This family gave us hope 23 00:01:36,363 --> 00:01:39,123 that there might be a chance to cure schizophrenia. 24 00:01:40,343 --> 00:01:44,083 He shot her first and then he shot himself. 25 00:01:45,243 --> 00:01:46,463 It all started to fall apart. 26 00:01:47,043 --> 00:01:50,103 My brothers were falling ill, they were losing their minds. 27 00:01:50,143 --> 00:01:51,503 They were losing their minds. 28 00:02:04,123 --> 00:02:06,243 What happened in our family is very rare. 29 00:02:07,503 --> 00:02:12,343 Six siblings out of 12 to have schizophrenia, 30 00:02:13,343 --> 00:02:14,363 half the family. 31 00:02:15,403 --> 00:02:17,503 That's rare, you don't see that. 32 00:02:21,403 --> 00:02:25,103 I mean if you look at the chronology it's unbelievable. 33 00:02:27,403 --> 00:02:31,063 Donald, you know, I was two when Donald became ill, 34 00:02:32,203 --> 00:02:34,123 then Jim went to the hospital, 35 00:02:35,343 --> 00:02:37,323 and then Peter went to the hospital, 36 00:02:38,523 --> 00:02:40,383 and then Matthew went to the hospital 37 00:02:42,263 --> 00:02:43,243 and then Joseph. 38 00:02:45,123 --> 00:02:47,323 In the, in the middle of all that, Brian committed suicide 39 00:02:48,263 --> 00:02:49,463 and murdered his girlfriend. 40 00:02:51,243 --> 00:02:55,223 And it's only been over the course of a lifetime 41 00:02:55,263 --> 00:02:59,183 that you can look back on it and go, oh, my... 42 00:03:01,523 --> 00:03:05,243 Holy crap (CHUCKLES), how did this happen? 43 00:03:23,323 --> 00:03:29,223 Peter Eugene Galvin, son of Dr. D.W. Galvin. 44 00:03:34,183 --> 00:03:35,423 We were all healed. 45 00:03:38,263 --> 00:03:41,423 Gave something the doctors had to heal us with, 46 00:03:42,443 --> 00:03:45,263 they tell us what to do with medications, 47 00:03:46,223 --> 00:03:48,443 we take them and shut up. 48 00:03:54,423 --> 00:03:55,343 I don't... 49 00:03:57,443 --> 00:03:59,423 I don't need to be looked after, 50 00:03:59,463 --> 00:04:01,463 I can look after myself. 51 00:04:02,503 --> 00:04:04,523 In my own home, 52 00:04:06,323 --> 00:04:08,363 I do what the doctors say. 53 00:04:12,463 --> 00:04:15,123 They tell me to take my medication. 54 00:04:17,123 --> 00:04:19,203 I take, I take it faithfully. 55 00:04:24,363 --> 00:04:25,203 No. 56 00:04:26,463 --> 00:04:30,523 I'm all healed up with all the doctors and nurses. 57 00:04:32,143 --> 00:04:33,443 I'm all healed up 58 00:04:35,183 --> 00:04:40,383 and I'm saint Peter who works at the state hospital 59 00:04:41,283 --> 00:04:43,323 with all five doctors. 60 00:04:49,283 --> 00:04:51,463 Peter was so non compliant, 61 00:04:53,163 --> 00:04:57,283 he just would not abide by what the doctors were asking him to do, 62 00:04:57,483 --> 00:04:59,143 he just would not do it. 63 00:05:00,143 --> 00:05:03,523 He was in and out of the hospital, I have no idea how many times, 64 00:05:04,463 --> 00:05:06,403 hundreds, I would guess. 65 00:05:07,263 --> 00:05:09,223 Get stabilised, go home, 66 00:05:09,263 --> 00:05:12,083 my parents would try to get him established in an apartment 67 00:05:12,123 --> 00:05:13,303 and he would blow it, 68 00:05:15,043 --> 00:05:16,343 within a few months. 69 00:05:17,103 --> 00:05:21,463 And this was just this repetitive revolving door with Peter, 70 00:05:21,503 --> 00:05:24,043 in and out and in and out and in and out, 71 00:05:24,103 --> 00:05:26,123 stopping taking the medications 72 00:05:26,163 --> 00:05:27,483 because of the way they make you feel. 73 00:05:31,063 --> 00:05:34,403 And then we would get a call from the police. 74 00:05:37,523 --> 00:05:39,103 No, I haven't. 75 00:05:43,523 --> 00:05:47,323 "Police reports indicate that he was charged with two counts of assault 76 00:05:47,363 --> 00:05:50,043 in the second degree against a police officer." 77 00:05:53,183 --> 00:05:53,483 No. 78 00:05:57,043 --> 00:06:01,303 "On 5/18/91, a theft of cigarettes had occurred from a 7/11 store. 79 00:06:02,063 --> 00:06:05,263 Someone chased Mr. Galvin down and got the cigarettes back, 80 00:06:05,303 --> 00:06:08,483 Mr. Galvin then sat in front of the store and refused to leave. 81 00:06:08,523 --> 00:06:10,223 When the police approached him, 82 00:06:10,263 --> 00:06:13,463 he began swinging his fists and fighting injuring both officers. 83 00:06:15,463 --> 00:06:17,223 He punched both in the face, 84 00:06:18,183 --> 00:06:21,523 during his trip to corrections, he was yelling and incoherent." 85 00:06:26,063 --> 00:06:28,503 No, I stay... 86 00:06:30,123 --> 00:06:35,363 ...clean and I'm an EMT and I save lives. 87 00:06:51,263 --> 00:06:55,263 He was refusing to be committed to Pueblo, 88 00:06:55,303 --> 00:06:58,163 so he was fighting against his own self 89 00:06:58,463 --> 00:07:02,403 and I was trying to convince him to plead incompetent, 90 00:07:02,443 --> 00:07:04,303 plead mental, mentally ill. 91 00:07:05,223 --> 00:07:08,263 Why couldn't the Boulder County call Pueblo, 92 00:07:09,063 --> 00:07:10,523 and talk about Peter's condition? 93 00:07:12,523 --> 00:07:15,223 I mean, that's where the disconnect is in the system. 94 00:07:18,503 --> 00:07:21,363 If you have a family member who is fighting for you, 95 00:07:21,403 --> 00:07:24,203 I think that that's-- that makes a difference, 96 00:07:25,043 --> 00:07:27,423 they're denied by courts, 97 00:07:27,463 --> 00:07:30,163 they're denied by mental health facilities, 98 00:07:30,203 --> 00:07:32,163 they are not able to keep them in treatment, 99 00:07:32,203 --> 00:07:34,323 the family member will have to petition in the court, 100 00:07:34,443 --> 00:07:36,283 they'll have to go through the County Attorney, 101 00:07:36,323 --> 00:07:38,183 they will have to go through a legal process. 102 00:07:38,223 --> 00:07:41,103 I had to go get Peter's court records and say look, 103 00:07:41,483 --> 00:07:43,303 he has a severe mental illness, 104 00:07:43,523 --> 00:07:47,323 (CHUCKLES) I, I really had to convince the courts that he did, 105 00:07:47,443 --> 00:07:48,403 it wasn't like, 106 00:07:49,103 --> 00:07:54,063 they were just willing to take the piles of hospitalizations. 107 00:07:55,283 --> 00:07:57,283 I mean, we had to go to great efforts 108 00:07:57,323 --> 00:07:59,503 within the Boulder County Judicial system 109 00:08:00,223 --> 00:08:03,463 to convince them that he had severe mental illness. 110 00:08:15,263 --> 00:08:20,183 Peter is a very interesting person and he's fun to talk to. 111 00:08:21,083 --> 00:08:24,223 He was so chronically cheerful, 112 00:08:26,123 --> 00:08:28,443 but he could be a very difficult patient. 113 00:08:28,483 --> 00:08:32,083 He can be violent, he can be agitated, 114 00:08:32,183 --> 00:08:34,483 he can be very manicky, he can be grandiose. 115 00:08:34,523 --> 00:08:36,243 I'm St. Peter, 116 00:08:37,363 --> 00:08:41,083 the holy saint who was crucified on the cross. 117 00:08:42,103 --> 00:08:44,503 I had (UNSURE OF WORD) right in my hands, 118 00:08:46,243 --> 00:08:51,043 I died on the cross with Jesus 119 00:08:52,203 --> 00:08:54,223 and I saved his life too. 120 00:08:55,163 --> 00:08:57,363 It's upsetting because you love Peter 121 00:08:58,123 --> 00:09:02,343 and then when he turns on you, it feels like a betrayal, 122 00:09:03,263 --> 00:09:07,183 but we eventually and particularly of the support of his family, 123 00:09:07,323 --> 00:09:11,503 um, we were able to get Peter in a good place and get him stabilised. 124 00:09:23,483 --> 00:09:28,243 My mom said, "Oh, Mary, don't take this on, do not take this on." 125 00:09:29,323 --> 00:09:31,423 And I said, "I have to try, or I won't know." 126 00:09:34,383 --> 00:09:38,203 Mary took Peter in and tried to do whatever was right for him, 127 00:09:38,323 --> 00:09:39,523 if she could help him, 128 00:09:40,203 --> 00:09:43,443 get clothes and find jobs and whatever. 129 00:09:44,403 --> 00:09:46,063 I saw real progress, 130 00:09:46,223 --> 00:09:50,343 I mean, really, I... Peter held down a job in Boulder, 131 00:09:50,383 --> 00:09:52,163 he lived in his own apartment 132 00:09:52,283 --> 00:09:54,423 and I don't know how many years that went on, 133 00:09:55,523 --> 00:09:58,163 but he was pretty high-functioning, 134 00:09:58,443 --> 00:10:04,043 but he was taking medication and going to therapy combined. 135 00:10:16,403 --> 00:10:19,263 His doctors talked to me 136 00:10:20,243 --> 00:10:23,143 at one point and said that he's extremely brittle, 137 00:10:23,363 --> 00:10:25,483 unresponsive to the medications 138 00:10:27,143 --> 00:10:30,303 and that they would eventually stop working, 139 00:10:31,163 --> 00:10:34,103 and that they felt that it was time for Peter 140 00:10:34,243 --> 00:10:39,103 to go back to Pueblo where somebody with his severity 141 00:10:39,263 --> 00:10:43,043 of the brain disorder would get better treatment. 142 00:10:45,123 --> 00:10:48,283 So, basically, the doctors were telling me to give up 143 00:10:49,063 --> 00:10:51,103 on my attempt to save him. 144 00:11:02,323 --> 00:11:03,143 Yeah. 145 00:11:06,263 --> 00:11:07,343 I didn't like it. 146 00:11:09,183 --> 00:11:12,403 I was the main patient at the hospital 147 00:11:14,083 --> 00:11:16,223 and I did what they said to do. 148 00:11:24,143 --> 00:11:26,243 Pete was, he was very unstable, 149 00:11:26,283 --> 00:11:29,123 he was in and out of the hospital, we would get him out, 150 00:11:29,263 --> 00:11:31,343 uh, he would de-stabilize, he would come back in 151 00:11:31,383 --> 00:11:35,083 and I don't know how many admissions we had where he came back in. 152 00:11:35,303 --> 00:11:37,123 And then it was like, well, okay, 153 00:11:37,323 --> 00:11:40,043 let's-- we'll, do the shock therapy now. 154 00:11:55,543 --> 00:11:57,863 The state of Colorado requires Peter to have ECT, 155 00:11:58,563 --> 00:11:59,743 because when he doesn't have it, 156 00:11:59,783 --> 00:12:04,603 he is a danger to himself and perhaps others. 157 00:12:07,783 --> 00:12:11,543 There's always been something to Electric Shock Therapy. 158 00:12:13,643 --> 00:12:16,683 And it's been scary and it has a bad reputation. 159 00:12:31,963 --> 00:12:34,803 The way we do it now is much more judicious. 160 00:12:34,843 --> 00:12:36,583 We use anaesthesia, 161 00:12:36,723 --> 00:12:39,523 I, I think if you can come up with a treatment, 162 00:12:39,563 --> 00:12:41,663 and it is electric shock therapy, and that what works, 163 00:12:41,703 --> 00:12:42,963 then that's what you stick with. 164 00:12:43,963 --> 00:12:44,823 I get... 165 00:12:46,583 --> 00:12:48,763 head-shock treatment right in the temples. 166 00:12:50,503 --> 00:12:51,883 They get, they knock me out 167 00:12:54,863 --> 00:12:59,543 with their beds on the shock treatment tables. 168 00:13:01,883 --> 00:13:03,663 I feel much better, 169 00:13:04,803 --> 00:13:08,663 like, a brand new man that takes care of his doctors. 170 00:13:08,943 --> 00:13:10,783 I sing them songs 171 00:13:10,823 --> 00:13:13,643 and I do everything that I can think of for them, 172 00:13:14,803 --> 00:13:16,803 because they're fine doctors. 173 00:13:17,783 --> 00:13:18,923 In Peter's case, 174 00:13:19,623 --> 00:13:24,523 it really helped significantly with his manic, 175 00:13:24,563 --> 00:13:26,623 manic type of symptoms that he had. 176 00:13:31,643 --> 00:13:33,743 The biggest issues that I have dealt with, 177 00:13:33,783 --> 00:13:35,723 with electric shock therapy is memory. 178 00:13:36,883 --> 00:13:38,523 And when you talk to Peter, 179 00:13:38,563 --> 00:13:41,523 uh, I always describe Peter's talking in a loop. 180 00:13:41,683 --> 00:13:43,803 He will, he will have a story, he'll have a loop 181 00:13:44,503 --> 00:13:45,663 that he'll talk to you about. 182 00:13:48,603 --> 00:13:51,603 Maybe someday, we'll understand better exactly 183 00:13:51,643 --> 00:13:53,743 how electric shock therapy actually works 184 00:13:53,783 --> 00:13:55,983 and we can use something that's much less of invasive 185 00:13:56,523 --> 00:13:58,903 and doesn't require the same drawbacks. 186 00:14:01,763 --> 00:14:03,743 They, there needs to be some progress 187 00:14:03,783 --> 00:14:05,583 in the way they treat the mentally ill. 188 00:14:07,623 --> 00:14:08,903 I, I keep hearing from Peter 189 00:14:08,943 --> 00:14:11,663 and one of the most painful things is the fact 190 00:14:11,703 --> 00:14:13,803 that they do these shock treatments on him. 191 00:14:16,803 --> 00:14:18,783 (SIGHS) I'm just thinking about 192 00:14:19,763 --> 00:14:21,963 what he's been and the pain he's been through. 193 00:14:26,723 --> 00:14:27,943 I can't even imagine. 194 00:14:30,843 --> 00:14:32,843 (PLAYING FLUTE) 195 00:14:41,643 --> 00:14:46,723 So much tragedy in some ways has been brought to the family, 196 00:14:46,763 --> 00:14:48,503 because of this disease. 197 00:14:49,583 --> 00:14:52,943 And to me, losing my brother's closest to me in age 198 00:14:52,983 --> 00:14:56,723 to this disease, has had a big impact on my life. 199 00:15:01,923 --> 00:15:03,603 It's, it's painful. 200 00:15:05,723 --> 00:15:09,503 What, what my family has gone through, it's horrific. 201 00:15:11,663 --> 00:15:12,803 But there is hope. 202 00:15:13,923 --> 00:15:14,723 Hi. 203 00:15:14,963 --> 00:15:16,763 -How are you doing? -Okay. 204 00:15:16,843 --> 00:15:20,603 I remember when we did our, our first main study. 205 00:15:20,843 --> 00:15:26,523 Uh, I had about 350 families, something like that. 206 00:15:26,883 --> 00:15:30,663 And the Galvin's was the largest. 207 00:15:45,743 --> 00:15:46,803 At that first visit, 208 00:15:46,843 --> 00:15:48,963 there were at least four of them that were there 209 00:15:49,563 --> 00:15:51,523 and what I remember is, 210 00:15:51,563 --> 00:15:54,743 them marching around through the kitchen, saying, 211 00:15:54,783 --> 00:15:56,703 things that didn't make sense. 212 00:16:01,823 --> 00:16:04,603 They were essentially a gold mine, 213 00:16:04,643 --> 00:16:06,963 because the larger the family, 214 00:16:07,503 --> 00:16:12,523 and the more the number of affected people in the family, 215 00:16:12,563 --> 00:16:14,663 the more likely we can find something 216 00:16:14,703 --> 00:16:18,883 that's significantly related to the illness. 217 00:16:32,703 --> 00:16:35,643 Rob Freeman was a colleague of mine, 218 00:16:36,783 --> 00:16:40,763 he was doing genetic research that was related, 219 00:16:40,903 --> 00:16:44,683 so, I introduced him to the Galvin family. 220 00:16:46,823 --> 00:16:48,523 There were a lot of Galvins. 221 00:16:48,923 --> 00:16:51,983 Mimi from the start was a very impressive woman. 222 00:16:54,903 --> 00:16:58,603 Don Junior and all his brothers were sitting on a bench, 223 00:16:58,683 --> 00:17:01,723 for myself and my research team to be begin to interview, 224 00:17:01,903 --> 00:17:04,783 to draw blood for genetic sampling. 225 00:17:06,903 --> 00:17:10,643 Better research on mental illness was Mimi's hope. 226 00:17:13,903 --> 00:17:17,583 The family had clearly been devastated by schizophrenia. 227 00:17:23,663 --> 00:17:26,763 They wanted to do some genetic testing on the family. 228 00:17:27,623 --> 00:17:28,763 I was ready to help. 229 00:17:31,703 --> 00:17:34,543 I never thought of the overall big picture, 230 00:17:34,783 --> 00:17:36,623 until the testing came along. 231 00:17:37,883 --> 00:17:40,663 I remember giving the blood sample. 232 00:17:40,843 --> 00:17:44,683 Advances are being made in genetic treatments all the time. 233 00:17:44,923 --> 00:17:46,843 Maybe if, someday they'll find a cure 234 00:17:46,883 --> 00:17:48,903 for these mental health issues. 235 00:17:49,683 --> 00:17:52,723 And maybe that can help my brothers as well. 236 00:18:06,163 --> 00:18:10,043 That whole schizophrenia thing was my mother's idea of notion 237 00:18:10,383 --> 00:18:12,003 that I'm mentally ill. 238 00:18:12,283 --> 00:18:14,003 I may have been a little schizophrenic, 239 00:18:14,043 --> 00:18:16,023 because I was with a lot of people that were schizophrenic, 240 00:18:16,063 --> 00:18:17,423 but that doesn't make me a schizophrenic. 241 00:18:18,383 --> 00:18:22,303 Every human being has genetic blueprint called DNA. 242 00:18:23,003 --> 00:18:26,303 Researchers hope to map the genes found on the chromosomes, 243 00:18:26,363 --> 00:18:29,383 that could be a fundamental advance towards a cure, 244 00:18:29,423 --> 00:18:31,323 for genetically linked illness 245 00:18:31,363 --> 00:18:34,283 such as schizophrenia, cancer and heart disease. 246 00:18:38,383 --> 00:18:40,283 In the early 1990's, 247 00:18:40,383 --> 00:18:43,323 scientists all of the world hit on the idea 248 00:18:43,363 --> 00:18:47,263 that you could make a map of the entire genome in human beings. 249 00:18:49,983 --> 00:18:52,983 There was a great sense of competitiveness. 250 00:18:53,023 --> 00:18:56,123 Each of us wanted to be the first to find the gene 251 00:18:56,163 --> 00:18:58,003 that causes schizophrenia. 252 00:19:00,023 --> 00:19:02,083 Once we knew what "the gene" was, 253 00:19:02,123 --> 00:19:06,243 we would be able to target the medication towards that gene, 254 00:19:06,443 --> 00:19:07,983 the magic bullet. 255 00:19:09,343 --> 00:19:15,023 So, we went gene hunting and identified a gene. 256 00:19:15,243 --> 00:19:17,343 And the name of the gene was CHRNA-7. 257 00:19:34,083 --> 00:19:38,183 So, we sequenced the whole genome in the Galvin family. 258 00:19:40,103 --> 00:19:43,183 They had one mutation that really stood out, 259 00:19:43,223 --> 00:19:46,383 that was present in all affected siblings. 260 00:19:48,963 --> 00:19:52,223 It was the gene that was expressed in the brain, 261 00:19:52,263 --> 00:19:55,203 it was the SHANK-2 gene, 262 00:19:55,383 --> 00:19:58,963 and was important for brain and development. 263 00:19:59,283 --> 00:20:03,443 So that, we knew we were on the right track. (LAUGHS) 264 00:20:08,023 --> 00:20:10,243 SHANK-2 is a very important gene, 265 00:20:10,443 --> 00:20:13,323 it's not a complete determinate of schizophrenia, 266 00:20:13,423 --> 00:20:16,443 but multiple discoveries like that changed our view 267 00:20:16,983 --> 00:20:19,963 of what we were looking at in schizophrenia in general. 268 00:20:29,303 --> 00:20:32,243 For example, having an abusive childhood 269 00:20:32,283 --> 00:20:35,203 where you, where you've had a lot of trauma. 270 00:20:35,343 --> 00:20:41,303 That trauma's doing something to the genetic material on the brain 271 00:20:41,403 --> 00:20:46,443 and maybe causing genes to be expressed in a different way. 272 00:20:47,403 --> 00:20:50,003 "Church officials have reportedly sent the names 273 00:20:50,043 --> 00:20:52,103 of 49 additional priests 274 00:20:52,143 --> 00:20:55,183 accused of child sexual abuse to prosecutors 275 00:20:55,223 --> 00:20:57,023 bringing the total number of priests 276 00:20:57,063 --> 00:21:00,123 named by the archdiocese so far to 87. 277 00:21:00,243 --> 00:21:02,343 NBC's (UNSURE OF NAME) has the story." 278 00:21:04,143 --> 00:21:08,023 When the story about the catholic church and the priests 279 00:21:08,063 --> 00:21:12,083 abusing young boys broke across the world, 280 00:21:13,223 --> 00:21:16,423 my mother was watching television with Donald. 281 00:21:17,103 --> 00:21:19,243 "Priest during the 1980, 282 00:21:19,283 --> 00:21:23,223 or even before were knowingly assigned to active ministry, 283 00:21:23,263 --> 00:21:26,163 after there had been credible allegations of child abuse." 284 00:21:26,343 --> 00:21:28,163 And he told my mother, 285 00:21:28,383 --> 00:21:31,103 that he had been sexually abused by Father Freudenstein. 286 00:21:43,983 --> 00:21:44,303 Mmm. 287 00:21:52,963 --> 00:21:55,203 My mother, of course, believed him, 288 00:21:55,243 --> 00:21:57,443 because he was lucid and on his medicine 289 00:21:57,983 --> 00:22:00,063 and, and just because they have schizophrenia, 290 00:22:00,103 --> 00:22:02,223 doesn't mean they just make stuff like that up, 291 00:22:02,383 --> 00:22:07,403 That would not be something Don would hallucinate or make up. 292 00:22:10,183 --> 00:22:12,163 The priest, oh, there are a lot of them, 293 00:22:12,203 --> 00:22:13,963 a lot of priests over the years, 294 00:22:14,003 --> 00:22:17,143 um, most of them like smoking cigars as I recall (CHUCKLES) 295 00:22:17,183 --> 00:22:18,343 that stunk up the house. 296 00:22:18,963 --> 00:22:20,443 Um, but they would come over a lot. 297 00:22:20,983 --> 00:22:25,163 There was one, one priest, his name was Freudenstein, 298 00:22:25,963 --> 00:22:27,343 they call him Father Freudenstein. 299 00:22:28,083 --> 00:22:30,963 I was not particularly fond of him. (CHUCKLES) 300 00:22:31,323 --> 00:22:33,343 It's something about his personality, 301 00:22:34,123 --> 00:22:37,163 the way he carried himself, maybe it was his demeanour 302 00:22:37,203 --> 00:22:40,263 and I kinda distanced myself from him. 303 00:22:45,963 --> 00:22:50,263 Don, Jim and Brian all would go on these excursions. 304 00:22:51,103 --> 00:22:54,263 I remember Father Freudenstein was picking them up in a station wagon, 305 00:22:54,443 --> 00:22:55,983 saying goodbye to them, 306 00:22:56,023 --> 00:22:57,323 and then they'd come home three days later. 307 00:22:58,443 --> 00:23:01,103 We didn't think any of these priests would be doing anything 308 00:23:01,143 --> 00:23:02,303 illicit or wrong. 309 00:23:07,383 --> 00:23:11,203 What I heard from my mother and my brothers 310 00:23:11,243 --> 00:23:15,243 is that he became sexually abusive towards my oldest brother Don. 311 00:23:21,043 --> 00:23:24,223 And then suddenly, it was like click, click, click. 312 00:23:25,143 --> 00:23:29,063 Well, that must have happened to Jim too, 313 00:23:30,163 --> 00:23:36,143 because what else would have caused Jim to sexually abuse me? 314 00:23:40,443 --> 00:23:41,263 So... 315 00:23:42,963 --> 00:23:45,963 We, we came to that conclusion without first-hand knowledge. 316 00:23:46,363 --> 00:23:49,343 But it just fits, it just fits, 317 00:23:49,383 --> 00:23:52,083 you know, it makes, makes-- everything make sense. 318 00:24:03,643 --> 00:24:05,623 There are those in psychiatry 319 00:24:05,663 --> 00:24:08,783 who say that a traumatic experience can trigger 320 00:24:09,623 --> 00:24:11,563 mental illness, schizophrenia. 321 00:24:12,443 --> 00:24:13,803 While maybe it's genetic, 322 00:24:13,843 --> 00:24:16,843 perhaps it's a traumatic event that triggers it. 323 00:24:20,643 --> 00:24:22,803 One of the things we know about schizophrenia, 324 00:24:23,503 --> 00:24:25,803 is that just having the genes by themselves, 325 00:24:25,843 --> 00:24:26,903 is not enough, 326 00:24:27,603 --> 00:24:29,623 there have to be other factors. 327 00:24:29,883 --> 00:24:32,703 How much is nature? How much is nurture? 328 00:24:33,563 --> 00:24:36,643 How much is the way you were treated in your life, 329 00:24:36,683 --> 00:24:39,483 versus, how much did you come into life with 330 00:24:39,643 --> 00:24:41,563 as a biological background. 331 00:24:41,603 --> 00:24:43,743 Of course, most human diseases, 332 00:24:45,663 --> 00:24:49,823 including cancer, are nature and nurture. 333 00:24:55,783 --> 00:24:59,863 Donald played football and wrestled and was very athletic, 334 00:24:59,903 --> 00:25:03,623 so the chances of him having head injury were pretty big. 335 00:25:03,663 --> 00:25:04,843 He was sexually abused. 336 00:25:06,883 --> 00:25:08,743 And so, there was trauma there. 337 00:25:11,643 --> 00:25:14,803 And then Jim, he played sports too. 338 00:25:18,663 --> 00:25:22,463 I think he was probably sexually abused as well. 339 00:25:23,743 --> 00:25:24,703 For Brian... 340 00:25:26,823 --> 00:25:28,663 ...maybe psychedelic drugs, 341 00:25:28,703 --> 00:25:32,803 yeah, maybe LSD and flashbacks might have been a trigger for him. 342 00:25:35,763 --> 00:25:39,503 For Joe, he was in Chicago at the time that it happened, so, 343 00:25:40,823 --> 00:25:45,603 maybe just working long hours at the airlines, 344 00:25:45,643 --> 00:25:49,543 just being exhausted physically and emotionally and alone, 345 00:25:50,903 --> 00:25:53,683 maybe loneliness could be a trigger. 346 00:25:56,883 --> 00:26:01,583 Matt perhaps his crash into the hockey goal. 347 00:26:04,863 --> 00:26:07,703 Been a lot of hospitalizations from trauma happening 348 00:26:07,743 --> 00:26:08,823 from a physical party. 349 00:26:09,603 --> 00:26:12,723 I was lucky to live through it after being in a haematoma, 350 00:26:12,763 --> 00:26:14,603 blood clot haemorrhage, brain operation. 351 00:26:16,563 --> 00:26:19,523 For Peter, witnessing my father's first stroke, 352 00:26:19,763 --> 00:26:22,903 could have been that kind of traumatic event that might have 353 00:26:23,623 --> 00:26:25,463 triggered the schizophrenia. 354 00:26:27,543 --> 00:26:30,543 He once stated to me, you know, I had a pretty good life, 355 00:26:30,583 --> 00:26:33,683 until this mental illness came along and ruined it. 356 00:26:33,723 --> 00:26:38,663 (HYMNING) 357 00:26:54,863 --> 00:26:59,523 I was trying so hard to normalise mental illness around my children, 358 00:27:00,543 --> 00:27:01,463 and didn't... 359 00:27:02,843 --> 00:27:05,763 ...understand the consequences of exposing them 360 00:27:05,803 --> 00:27:07,603 to so much mental illness. 361 00:27:08,443 --> 00:27:10,903 Our intention was, um, 362 00:27:12,443 --> 00:27:15,743 to try to expose the kids to the ill boys, 363 00:27:15,783 --> 00:27:18,823 so that they would get to know them. 364 00:27:22,543 --> 00:27:27,563 I think it's really important to normalise mental illness, um, 365 00:27:28,623 --> 00:27:30,603 but I also think there's a lot 366 00:27:32,503 --> 00:27:35,663 that I wish I hadn't known until I was a little bit older. 367 00:27:36,463 --> 00:27:39,623 If you're not mentally equipped to handle this information, 368 00:27:40,843 --> 00:27:44,483 you're not normalising it, you're inflicting more trauma, 369 00:27:44,603 --> 00:27:46,523 um, whether you mean to or not. 370 00:28:08,643 --> 00:28:09,883 I mean, no one's family's normal, 371 00:28:10,423 --> 00:28:14,623 but not many people have six schizophrenic uncles. 372 00:28:18,883 --> 00:28:20,483 Oh it has a been a minute. 373 00:28:24,423 --> 00:28:27,803 The day I wake up on my 26th birthday, 374 00:28:27,843 --> 00:28:29,743 will be a very happy day for me, 375 00:28:31,603 --> 00:28:33,543 because that's like when scientists think 376 00:28:33,583 --> 00:28:35,543 the male brain finishes developing. 377 00:28:46,543 --> 00:28:50,443 I will feel like I've gotten past it 378 00:28:50,483 --> 00:28:53,783 and then I have no percent chance now, 379 00:28:55,583 --> 00:28:58,643 zero percent chance of developing schizophrenia, 380 00:28:58,683 --> 00:28:59,783 I mean, none. 381 00:29:14,723 --> 00:29:19,543 I think the fear started to set in once I was 12, 13, 14, 382 00:29:19,583 --> 00:29:22,443 um, because, you know, the, the-- 383 00:29:22,803 --> 00:29:24,803 I was not doing things that other kids did, 384 00:29:24,843 --> 00:29:27,523 like, I didn't play football, I didn't play hockey, 385 00:29:27,563 --> 00:29:29,523 um, because, you know, fear of head injury, 386 00:29:29,563 --> 00:29:30,863 eventually turning into schizophrenia. 387 00:29:34,703 --> 00:29:36,883 When I hear a sound in the house, 388 00:29:37,503 --> 00:29:41,563 I immediately look to see and figure out what it is. 389 00:29:41,603 --> 00:29:46,583 I have that moment of like, anxiety, of like, did I just hear that, like, 390 00:29:46,743 --> 00:29:49,623 was that me, or was that actually happening around me. 391 00:29:50,543 --> 00:29:52,723 And, you know, for someone who fears that you've, 392 00:29:52,763 --> 00:29:54,763 you run a very fine line, 393 00:29:56,643 --> 00:29:58,483 because, I think you can convince yourself 394 00:29:58,523 --> 00:29:59,823 that you're hearing things that you're not, 395 00:30:00,743 --> 00:30:03,483 but you can tell yourself that you're hearing stuff 396 00:30:03,523 --> 00:30:04,643 and eventually you will. 397 00:30:06,603 --> 00:30:10,543 I think my brother was really affected by the idea of 398 00:30:10,703 --> 00:30:12,603 possibly becoming schizophrenic, 399 00:30:14,763 --> 00:30:18,423 that he started to smoke weed for the first time, 400 00:30:19,583 --> 00:30:21,643 and he... 401 00:30:23,863 --> 00:30:26,443 ...would tell me what was going on, 402 00:30:27,523 --> 00:30:28,543 for the most part, 403 00:30:28,703 --> 00:30:31,603 and be like, oh I'm here, or this happened. 404 00:30:32,443 --> 00:30:35,463 I started to get worried and telling my parents, 405 00:30:35,703 --> 00:30:38,583 you know, what was going on and then he stopped telling me things. 406 00:30:39,463 --> 00:30:40,803 And that was when I was-- 407 00:30:41,743 --> 00:30:44,443 Got really nervous about what was happening. 408 00:30:45,523 --> 00:30:46,763 We were struggling that summer, 409 00:30:47,503 --> 00:30:48,523 can't find him, 410 00:30:49,443 --> 00:30:52,903 he's MIA, won't answer his phone, won't answer his texts. 411 00:30:57,503 --> 00:30:59,543 -Yeah, that was a tough summer. -Mm-hmm. 412 00:31:00,503 --> 00:31:02,583 Yeah, we were struggling with what to do. 413 00:31:12,903 --> 00:31:14,103 I was self-destructive, 414 00:31:14,883 --> 00:31:18,283 to the point where it was gonna affect my life in a serious way. 415 00:31:19,183 --> 00:31:23,363 I started abusing drugs with my prescribed ADHD medication, 416 00:31:23,903 --> 00:31:25,003 I was abusing that. 417 00:31:27,223 --> 00:31:30,903 My mind was that if keeps going down this path, 418 00:31:31,083 --> 00:31:34,043 he is gonna potentially develop major mental illness 419 00:31:34,143 --> 00:31:36,983 -by his drug using. -Yeah, that's true. 420 00:31:37,143 --> 00:31:39,343 His behaviours reminded me of things 421 00:31:39,883 --> 00:31:43,363 that I suspected Peter had been up to, when he was young, 422 00:31:43,903 --> 00:31:46,003 the two of them just reminded me of each other. 423 00:31:46,043 --> 00:31:46,983 Oh, yeah. 424 00:31:47,023 --> 00:31:50,283 We had been researching programs, 425 00:31:50,323 --> 00:31:53,303 what we might do, where we might take him, 426 00:31:53,343 --> 00:31:55,143 who might be able to help us. 427 00:31:55,323 --> 00:32:00,123 But Jack just wouldn't fully engage in the process. 428 00:32:03,883 --> 00:32:07,183 My parents really did not want to send him away. 429 00:32:11,063 --> 00:32:12,923 Once that was decided, 430 00:32:14,203 --> 00:32:15,883 my parents like made a plan, 431 00:32:15,923 --> 00:32:18,063 they were gonna take him and his friend to the skate park, 432 00:32:19,103 --> 00:32:20,943 and then they were gonna ask him to stay in the car 433 00:32:20,983 --> 00:32:22,143 so they could talk to him for a minute. 434 00:32:22,963 --> 00:32:25,063 And instead of that, they were just gonna drive away. 435 00:32:25,243 --> 00:32:29,323 And, before they left, I put the child locks on the doors, 436 00:32:29,923 --> 00:32:32,983 so that, once they started driving away, 437 00:32:34,063 --> 00:32:35,283 he couldn't get out of the car. 438 00:32:37,983 --> 00:32:39,243 He tried to like, kick out the windows, 439 00:32:39,283 --> 00:32:42,263 and open the doors on the highway. (LAUGHS), 440 00:32:43,043 --> 00:32:46,003 And I feel bad now, because like, how traumatic was that for him, 441 00:32:46,043 --> 00:32:46,343 you know, 442 00:32:47,363 --> 00:32:51,363 I can't imagine just like being sent away like that. 443 00:33:00,123 --> 00:33:01,203 At the start, 444 00:33:01,883 --> 00:33:05,883 this was perhaps the worst experience of my life, 445 00:33:06,223 --> 00:33:09,263 having to take him down there and leave him there. 446 00:33:10,063 --> 00:33:15,923 Turn, turn him over to someone else, was horrible. 447 00:33:18,363 --> 00:33:21,123 It was, it was horribly traumatic, 448 00:33:21,163 --> 00:33:22,983 -awful. -Absolutely, I. 449 00:33:23,343 --> 00:33:26,083 But, then by the time we got to graduation, 450 00:33:26,123 --> 00:33:28,003 it was the exact opposite. 451 00:33:31,983 --> 00:33:35,263 What we met in Jack when he was done, 452 00:33:36,043 --> 00:33:38,263 was... It was unbelievable. 453 00:33:42,343 --> 00:33:44,203 I did think at the time, 454 00:33:44,243 --> 00:33:47,003 maybe there's a preventative component 455 00:33:47,043 --> 00:33:49,903 to an early intervention, but I (UNSURE OF WORD) that boy, 456 00:33:49,943 --> 00:33:52,103 what if Peter had had this opportunity, 457 00:33:52,143 --> 00:33:55,303 would he have ended up as bad as he is now? 458 00:33:56,983 --> 00:33:59,343 (SINGING) Our father who art 459 00:33:59,883 --> 00:34:05,883 in heaven Hallowed be thy name. 460 00:34:06,363 --> 00:34:08,883 Growing up in this type of situation, 461 00:34:08,923 --> 00:34:10,183 it felt like things were always happening... 462 00:34:10,223 --> 00:34:11,183 Will be. 463 00:34:11,223 --> 00:34:12,183 ...you know, it was, 464 00:34:12,223 --> 00:34:16,363 this is going with this brother and, and, you know, my mom being the, 465 00:34:16,903 --> 00:34:18,263 the person that takes care of them, 466 00:34:18,923 --> 00:34:22,103 its not like, we were, we were just hearing about it, 467 00:34:22,143 --> 00:34:25,283 you know, we were there. Madness has defined my life. 468 00:34:26,283 --> 00:34:29,023 I've lived too many days worried about it. 469 00:34:29,243 --> 00:34:33,063 (SINGING) But deliver us from evil 470 00:34:33,103 --> 00:34:34,923 I've done all the therapy, 471 00:34:35,303 --> 00:34:37,943 but I'm still *bleep* afraid of schizophrenia. 472 00:34:56,283 --> 00:34:57,343 Since she passed, 473 00:34:58,963 --> 00:35:02,003 family's kind of broken apart in more ways than one, 474 00:35:02,263 --> 00:35:04,023 you know, John's so far away, 475 00:35:04,063 --> 00:35:07,003 he's been kind of separate from the family for a long time. 476 00:35:07,043 --> 00:35:08,943 You know, Michael and I just never shared 477 00:35:08,983 --> 00:35:13,263 a common bond of any sort to spend time together. 478 00:35:14,223 --> 00:35:15,323 And for me, 479 00:35:16,343 --> 00:35:18,103 you know, I've got my own three children 480 00:35:18,143 --> 00:35:22,903 and my three grandchildren, and that's my life now. 481 00:35:27,163 --> 00:35:33,143 My mother was, she was the centre and when she passed away, 482 00:35:33,183 --> 00:35:38,023 the family has kind of fragmented more, 483 00:35:38,883 --> 00:35:42,043 we're not together so much, especially my sister Margaret. 484 00:35:44,043 --> 00:35:49,003 She's still hurting from everything that's gone on in the family 485 00:35:49,043 --> 00:35:53,263 and she wants to just get away from it. 486 00:35:55,223 --> 00:35:59,043 And, that's her, her way of dealing with it. 487 00:36:04,103 --> 00:36:06,283 I ran away from it, you know, in my own way. 488 00:36:07,263 --> 00:36:11,203 I'm just not a professional mental health care giver. 489 00:36:14,223 --> 00:36:16,303 I don't think that's my calling. (CHUCKLES) 490 00:36:20,283 --> 00:36:25,083 My parents were very clear in expressing to all of us 491 00:36:25,123 --> 00:36:26,043 not just me, 492 00:36:26,963 --> 00:36:28,343 but to my other siblings as well, 493 00:36:29,343 --> 00:36:31,043 please don't desert them, 494 00:36:33,223 --> 00:36:36,323 that was very clearly my parents message, 495 00:36:37,043 --> 00:36:38,343 to all of us, not just me, 496 00:36:39,883 --> 00:36:41,063 please don't desert them. 497 00:36:48,663 --> 00:36:51,723 I can't find anything positive in being mentally ill, 498 00:36:51,763 --> 00:36:52,783 the way they are. 499 00:36:54,343 --> 00:36:57,543 And, it's such a loss of what could have been. 500 00:37:00,543 --> 00:37:03,763 And I'm sure that they have different perspectives on that. 501 00:37:03,803 --> 00:37:05,763 Try the 14 with the corner. 502 00:37:07,683 --> 00:37:11,483 Peter and Matthew seem like they have some joy in their lives. 503 00:37:21,663 --> 00:37:24,703 I used to love to play the pool when I (UNSURE OF WORD) again. 504 00:37:25,563 --> 00:37:26,463 They're not, 505 00:37:26,623 --> 00:37:29,343 they're not total-- I can still communicate with them. 506 00:37:33,363 --> 00:37:34,663 I don't call Donald, 507 00:37:39,683 --> 00:37:42,643 just because, I don't think there's a... 508 00:37:43,463 --> 00:37:45,543 A communication between us. 509 00:37:46,483 --> 00:37:48,763 I don't think that he would have anything to say, 510 00:37:50,343 --> 00:37:51,523 that I could understand. 511 00:37:52,743 --> 00:37:56,343 Mary seems to think that 512 00:37:56,583 --> 00:38:00,643 we should try to have a relationship with my brothers, you know, 513 00:38:00,683 --> 00:38:02,683 and try to be there for them and 514 00:38:04,403 --> 00:38:05,763 I haven't been able to do that. 515 00:38:07,403 --> 00:38:08,803 Hi Mary. 516 00:38:09,543 --> 00:38:10,703 God, you look great. 517 00:38:12,783 --> 00:38:13,783 Hi Pete, oh you (INAUDIBLE). 518 00:38:13,823 --> 00:38:16,443 I just don't enjoy seeing them, I mean, 519 00:38:17,583 --> 00:38:19,543 there's not much point to it. 520 00:38:22,363 --> 00:38:23,723 Try to look and see what you need. 521 00:38:23,763 --> 00:38:25,403 Yeah, here's more. 522 00:38:25,443 --> 00:38:26,823 Oh, they think I'm being my mother, 523 00:38:27,363 --> 00:38:28,363 I'm a martyr. 524 00:38:30,583 --> 00:38:32,683 May, we-- I always called my mother a martyr. 525 00:38:32,823 --> 00:38:34,543 You're doing what your mom did though, 526 00:38:34,583 --> 00:38:37,483 in terms of making sure that they're taken care of. 527 00:38:39,823 --> 00:38:41,403 Yeah, just let me follow. 528 00:38:41,443 --> 00:38:42,643 I, I personally believe 529 00:38:42,683 --> 00:38:47,643 that only through helping others do you really find true joy in life. 530 00:38:51,403 --> 00:38:54,463 And I think you're missing out by not helping those closest to you, 531 00:38:54,503 --> 00:38:56,743 when they need it, and they need it. 532 00:39:01,783 --> 00:39:05,643 I didn't envision our family having 533 00:39:05,683 --> 00:39:09,783 become divided the way it has in the last five years. 534 00:39:10,603 --> 00:39:14,743 I thought we all had enough love and care for each other, 535 00:39:15,443 --> 00:39:18,363 that everybody would step up and participate. 536 00:39:19,383 --> 00:39:20,823 I obviously have a lotta anger around it still, 537 00:39:21,363 --> 00:39:22,463 I'm trying, 538 00:39:22,703 --> 00:39:25,643 I'm really trying to understand their perspective. 539 00:39:41,363 --> 00:39:44,823 Mother and Father came to me specifically and said, 540 00:39:45,363 --> 00:39:47,563 please, please. 541 00:39:48,603 --> 00:39:51,503 There was no one else who could've handled it. 542 00:39:52,543 --> 00:39:56,763 I mean, they said please do not, do not desert them, 543 00:39:56,803 --> 00:40:01,823 and what I can see is that everyone else in my family has deserted them. 544 00:40:02,363 --> 00:40:03,803 And maybe that was too big of a chore for him. 545 00:40:04,483 --> 00:40:06,743 No, it's absolutely not. (CRIES) 546 00:40:07,343 --> 00:40:12,683 I never thought I would be doing this by myself without you guys. 547 00:40:12,723 --> 00:40:16,383 I never, in a million years thought 548 00:40:16,423 --> 00:40:20,403 that my siblings would not be by my side through this. 549 00:40:20,623 --> 00:40:22,823 You can not demean, you cannot put down, 550 00:40:23,363 --> 00:40:26,563 you cannot demonish, your brothers and sisters for that, 551 00:40:26,603 --> 00:40:27,823 -this is not your place. -I can be angry. 552 00:40:28,363 --> 00:40:30,363 You're not the judge, you can be angry, 553 00:40:30,403 --> 00:40:31,803 but don't be angry at your brothers and sisters. 554 00:40:32,343 --> 00:40:33,703 I am angry at my brothers and sisters. 555 00:40:33,743 --> 00:40:35,623 Because you think everybody can do what you can, that's wrong. 556 00:40:35,663 --> 00:40:37,823 We're not professionally equipped to handle it. 557 00:40:38,363 --> 00:40:39,723 -She is the only one who-- -Well, I'm looking at, 558 00:40:39,763 --> 00:40:40,583 I don't see it. 559 00:40:40,623 --> 00:40:41,543 She's the only one in this family-- 560 00:40:41,583 --> 00:40:43,343 Because I'm willing to be vulnerable? 561 00:40:43,383 --> 00:40:44,623 -Vulnerability is power. -She's done it. 562 00:40:44,663 --> 00:40:47,363 She has done it, I mean, she's taken care of 563 00:40:47,403 --> 00:40:49,763 what's needed to be taken care of, and, she will continue to do that, 564 00:40:49,803 --> 00:40:51,583 -she looks after the kids. -Does she? 565 00:40:51,623 --> 00:40:55,463 She looks after Don, she looks after Matt and Peter. 566 00:40:56,643 --> 00:40:58,463 I couldn't do that. 567 00:41:03,503 --> 00:41:05,663 I wish I could've helped Mary more, but, 568 00:41:06,503 --> 00:41:10,723 as far as me making arrangements for my brothers and seeing to it that 569 00:41:11,503 --> 00:41:14,683 they have what they need, what those boys need, she does it, 570 00:41:15,543 --> 00:41:16,563 she does it. 571 00:41:16,603 --> 00:41:18,623 Do you think Mary's taken on too much? 572 00:41:22,523 --> 00:41:24,503 Only she can answer that. (LAUGHS) 573 00:41:24,743 --> 00:41:28,343 I hope that she knows she can always call me and lean on my shoulder, 574 00:41:28,803 --> 00:41:31,703 from a distance, I can, I can talk and visit, 575 00:41:32,663 --> 00:41:35,563 and support her, the best I can. 576 00:41:44,363 --> 00:41:45,723 I'm the youngest of 12 children, 577 00:41:45,763 --> 00:41:48,503 10 older brothers and one older sister. 578 00:41:49,483 --> 00:41:52,683 Six of my brothers were diagnosed schizophrenics. 579 00:41:53,423 --> 00:41:55,763 Donald, Matthew and Peter are fortunate, 580 00:41:55,803 --> 00:41:57,503 because they're in nursing homes, 581 00:41:57,803 --> 00:42:00,623 with people around them that care for them, 582 00:42:00,663 --> 00:42:02,343 truly care for them. 583 00:42:02,743 --> 00:42:05,463 People that have chosen this career 584 00:42:05,583 --> 00:42:09,503 to help those who suffer are the real heroes. 585 00:42:11,583 --> 00:42:14,463 The survivor guilt is unbelievable, 586 00:42:14,743 --> 00:42:17,463 like, why am I not just bringing them into my home, 587 00:42:17,723 --> 00:42:19,663 you know, like my mother chose to. 588 00:42:21,803 --> 00:42:23,403 I don't know how she did it. 589 00:42:27,803 --> 00:42:29,543 I think the pain, 590 00:42:29,643 --> 00:42:32,343 the emotional pain that somebody suffers 591 00:42:32,663 --> 00:42:37,403 from having schizophrenia is maybe worse than the disease itself. 592 00:42:37,443 --> 00:42:40,483 Didn't I get into a lot of trouble in Boulder? 593 00:42:40,523 --> 00:42:42,563 So, it's really debilitating, 594 00:42:42,603 --> 00:42:44,643 not only to the person... 595 00:42:45,383 --> 00:42:47,403 Hey, there's a picture, there's a picture 596 00:42:47,563 --> 00:42:49,363 ...but to the family too. 597 00:42:51,483 --> 00:42:53,783 Can we work on a puzzle? I like puzzles. 598 00:42:56,503 --> 00:42:58,623 (SIGHS) High handsome. 599 00:42:59,723 --> 00:43:01,683 -You're cold. -Yeah, I know that, 600 00:43:02,363 --> 00:43:04,343 -cold hands, warm heart. -Mmm. (LAUGHS). 601 00:43:04,383 --> 00:43:05,683 Just because they are schizophrenic, 602 00:43:05,723 --> 00:43:07,583 doesn't mean they don't have their own mind. 603 00:43:08,643 --> 00:43:10,403 I mean, their minds a little broken, 604 00:43:10,443 --> 00:43:12,583 but, when they're lucid, they're lucid, 605 00:43:13,343 --> 00:43:17,743 and they want so badly to be normalized. 606 00:43:18,703 --> 00:43:22,663 They don't want their condition to be scary or, 607 00:43:24,383 --> 00:43:25,463 you know, to me, 608 00:43:25,503 --> 00:43:28,823 schizophrenia is really tragic 609 00:43:29,643 --> 00:43:31,743 and it's not their fault.