[solemn music]
REPORTER: The date has now been set for the murder trial
of Richard Allen, the man accused of killing
two Delphi teens back in 2017.
50-year-old Allen, a married father, charged last October.
He has pleaded not guilty.
KAITLYN: It's now been nearly seven years
since Abby Williams and Libby German were killed.
- It's been an emotional rollercoaster.
- Not having details, I feel like my mind kind of filled in.
ANNA: I just felt like everything went really fast
and really slow all at the same time.
CARRIE: All these years of building up
and waiting and anticipation.
ANNA: You just don't even know what to do.
Days ran into each other.
- I struggled really badly
with my mental health.
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KATHY: You're nobody in prison.
It was horrible.
We were helpless.
There was nothing we could do
other than take his phone calls.
- My belief is Richard Allen is innocent.
JENNIFER: What happened to Richard Allen
should make every single person uneasy and angry.
- Half the town does want it to be over.
The other half, we don't feel that
they've done right by Richard Allen.
- My name is Nicholas McLeland.
I'm the Carroll County prosecutor.
This investigation is still very ongoing.
We are not going to talk about the evidence
that we have in this case.
- I would be lying if I didn't admit
we were a little bit concerned,
because the prosecutor, Nick, is young.
- I told Nick, I said,
"You screw up, I will call you out."
- We will have our opportunity and day in court when
we can present the evidence that we have against him.
But until that day, he is presumed innocent.
- I think Delphi has changed from this crime.
[dramatic music]
The evil has not been expunged from Delphi yet.
We're not even close.
♪ ♪
[tense music]
- This case received so much worldwide attention.
This is a case of a lifetime.
But I don't say that with glee.
It's a fact.
People are interested in justice for those girls.
- There's a lot of pressure.
- The stakes were so high.
ANDY: A man's life is on the line here.
- It's difficult to prepare
for a trial of this magnitude.
BRAD: It's like running a marathon.
Every mile hurts.
The last few miles hurt worse than the first.
[somber music]
ANDY: Brad and I were going through
the mounds and mounds of evidence
to show that Richard Allen is innocent.
All right.
It was a Saturday morning, and my mind exploded.
It's 10:00 in the morning.
I've been up a while.
Had a breakthrough late last night.
I stumbled upon a 12-page report.
There's evidence here that this highly unusual
Norse pagan religion might be connected to the crime scene.
I'm reading one thing, and I'm like, holy crap.
And then the second one, I'm like, oh, my God.
BRAD: Law enforcement saw that there were hallmarks
at the crime scene that suggested ritualistic activity.
MIKE: It made you think that a person, or persons,
did place things on the girls for a particular reason.
DAWN: My name is Dawn Perlmutter,
and I'm a ritualistic crime expert.
I've worked on hundreds of cases of ritualistic crimes
with the FBI, the DEA, Homeland Security.
I get called in when there's very unusual types of evidence.
The defense wanted my opinion on whether
this crime scene was ritualistic
and what I thought was going on.
When I first looked at the crime scene photos,
what stood out to me were the body positionings,
the arrangement of the branches on their bodies,
and what appears to have been a symbol on the tree
was done in the victim's blood.
I can tell you from experience
that these are common indicators
of ritualistic crime.
Once you determine that it may be a ritualistic crime scene,
then the next step is determining which group
it may be affiliated with.
- Early on in the case, law enforcement started
looking at a group of people in the Delphi area
called Odinists.
JEFFERSON: Odinism is a contemporary religion
that takes its inspiration in the pre-Christian religions
of Northern Europe, so Germanic and Norse religions.
These are people who had worshipped
the gods Odin and Thor.
- I think the branches that were covering the bodies
were placed in a very specific way,
and in my opinion,
they look like runic symbols.
- Runes are the ancient alphabet of Norse people,
and they are very much incorporated
into contemporary heathenry.
[tense music]
- I've had several cases with runes
in ritualistic crime scenes.
They're usually intentional marks
that indicate that, in the offender's mind,
he is doing something that has meaning.
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BRAD: Law enforcement investigated the possibility
that Odinists were involved.
- I learned that there are people from our area
that are involved in this Norse pagan Odinist religion
that I never knew about.
JEFFERSON: This Odinist movement in the United States
is often made up of young white men
from working class backgrounds.
These groups began to proliferate
in a sort of industrial decline of the Midwest.
Odin is the god of fury and ecstasy and power,
but they are refiguring the figure of Odin
as representing this sort of
class disappointment and class rage.
- There were several people living in the area
that were allegedly practicing Odinism.
In fact, one of them was already
on law enforcement's radar--
a local man named Brad Holder.
- Abby was friends with his son.
- Brad Holder was posting things on his social media
that caused some concern.
TOM: Soon after the murders, Brad Holder posted
something where it said something along the lines of,
"Friends help friends move bodies."
♪ ♪
Also, Holder's Facebook page showed runes.
- He posted these images of Odinist rituals,
Odinist altars.
He would make runic symbols out of branches.
And these sticks that were on Abby
looked like a marking on a social media post
where he had the marking on his hand.
MIKE: Brad Holder had also posted a picture
of two girls that were very similar in nature
to the way we found Abby and Libby.
ALICE: And he would sometimes
do rituals with another local, Patrick Westfall.
PATRICK: My name is Patrick Westfall.
Brad Holder was in the group that I was in
out of Afghanistan.
We got to know each other quite well
over, you know, our time in the combat zone.
[tense music]
- Patrick Westfall became a person of interest because of
his relationship with Brad Holder.
- Part of what I reviewed was a video of a pagan group
doing a ritual in the woods.
ANDY: Brad Holder is on camera
showing that he's the one videotaping.
- That was just a standard ensemble
where people come together.
You have your meat or different other things
that you can have as an offering.
'Cause we're nature based-- we love nature.
Trees, you know, have special meaning to us.
- If you remember, Libby is located
and moved next to this big tree.
And I found it interesting that they were all bringing
their different offerings to the tree.
- There's nothing that's part of it that has
anything to do with violence
and human sacrifices and killing.
And, you know, there's no initiation ritual
where you have to go out and stomp somebody out
to be a practitioner.
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BRAD: Law enforcement spent
dozens of hours investigating these people,
maybe hundreds of hours.
MIKE: But then there was kind of a division
between the members that were investigating this,
whether this was a satanic type killing
or if it was just a murder that looked that way.
- Brad Holder had a really good alibi.
- Police had time cards and also people placing him
at work at the time of the murders.
- I think it's a misconception
that we did not thoroughly investigate
the Odinism connection.
We did. We just were never able
to establish any probable cause.
No one could ever prove Brad Holder
and Patrick Westfall were involved.
We couldn't even put them in Delphi.
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MIKE: I think many in the investigation
believed that this kind of stuff
only happens in the movies.
DAWN: I can tell you from other cases I've worked on,
officers aren't trained in ritualistic crimes.
There is absolutely nothing in their training
that prepares them for this type of crime scene.
BRAD: It was really hard for me to understand
why they gave up on this angle so quickly.
- It appears to me that there was more evidence
on third party suspects than on Richard Allen.
[tense music]
Here we go.
♪ ♪
After that, I was all about doing nothing but
looking for Odinism and that angle.
- From a professional standpoint,
we were preparing to go to battle.
[dramatic music]
♪ ♪
- We realized that none of this information
regarding the Odinists from the police investigation
was offered up to the court.
And so we started creating a memo
to get the judge to see that Odinists may have been
involved in this crime and to allow us
to present that idea to a jury.
So we did a ton of our own investigative work.
For starters, you better go to the scene of the crime.
ANDY: We've now, using the GPS, gotten to this.
She would have been here then.
- Libby was placed right here
with her arm up against the trunk
and her head turned to the left
and her feet coming out this direction.
And Abby would have been right here
at about a 30-degree angle to what Libby was.
ANDY: I spent 12-, 15-, 18-hour days,
seven days a week working on the case.
I was sleeping on my couch.
And there were-- you know, my clo--
if you, like, looked at this office,
it was a complete wreck most of the time.
I hope my wife remembers me.
I've gained a little weight.
- We mined all this information regarding the Odinists
from the police investigation,
some of it from our own follow-up investigation,
to prove to the court
that law enforcement misled the judge.
So it's almost like saying,
"Judge, here's the rest of the story.
Here's what they didn't tell you."
♪ ♪
[indistinct chatter, laughter]
ANDY: Finally, we finished getting
that 136-page memo together.
Sierra and Sarah have been
unbelievably working on this thing.
September 18, 2023.
Now's the time to hit the Send button.
- I'm just checking one last thing.
OK, Andy.
ANDY: What time is it?
- It's 2:06.
Here. Hit the button.
You do it.
- All right, well, this is for Richard Allen.
[clicks]
All right.
Hope that gets him out.
[dramatic music]
REPORTER: This morning, a new twist
in the Delphi double murders.
Allen's attorneys filing a 136-page motion on Monday,
where they claim the girls were ritualistically
sacrificed by members of a pagan Norse religion
called Odinism.
ALICE: It read like a gripping novel
of this Odinism conspiracy
that sacrificed these two young girls.
♪ ♪
RON: It set the whole state ablaze with people talking.
It was quite a shock
that somebody would make that allegation.
BRETT: The media, the YouTubers, social media,
podcasts, they grabbed hold of this idea and they ran with it.
REPORTER: Today, McLeland calling the entire memo
"colorful, dramatic, and highly unprofessional."
- So everybody online was like,
were these girls murdered as a sacrifice?
♪ ♪
And it was just, like, rampant speculation.
- Is there some coverup going on here or something happening?
- If true, the information in these documents
point the finger in
a completely different direction.
- But I think they're actually on to something here.
♪ ♪
PATRICK: Once that memorandum came out,
and I had people calling me left and right asking
why I'm all over YouTube channels.
- Patrick Westfall.
- It absolutely crushed me.
That's not small change stuff.
This is a double homicide.
It's worldwide watched, followed event,
and my name is slapped all over this memorandum.
♪ ♪
TOM: Brad Holder was posting on Facebook
saying people are accusing him of being Bridge Guy.
He posted a video on TikTok saying
that he's not Bridge Guy.
- You don't like my hat?
You--you think I'm the murderer 'cause--
because I'm wearing his hat, right?
- It seemed like he was sick of these online accusations.
- No matter how big of a dickhead I am,
I didn't kill those girls.
PATRICK: I'm tired of hearing Odinism.
I never have had anything to do with it.
I get that that's an attorney's job
is to create reasonable doubt.
But man, they really ruined a lot of things for me
by doing it that way.
BRAD: The memo was well within the boundaries of what
a competent lawyer would do to defend their client,
but the reactions were pretty overwhelming.
- You have to go where the investigation leads you.
You have to do your job.
- And then just deal with the consequences
of whatever comes from that.
♪ ♪
[suspenseful music]
♪ ♪
BRAD: As the trial in this case got closer,
we were awaiting the judge's pre-trial rulings
on our request to introduce third party culpability.
- Until that happens, we just have to keep
working on the case night and day and morning
and noon and night.
- Law enforcement, they have an infinite amount
of resources to investigate these crimes
and to prop them up in a courtroom.
The government has a huge advantage in that regard.
JENNIFER: We knew that prosecutor
was working as hard as us.
NICHOLAS: There definitely are days
that you get overwhelmed and think,
I have so much to do.
I don't know how I'm going to do all this.
Obviously, a lot of sleepless nights,
a lot of time away from family and friends
to put the work in that's necessary for the case.
BECKY: It took a toll on Nick.
We watched him.
He gave up a lot for this case.
[somber music]
♪ ♪
- Judge Gull ruled that the defense would not be
allowed to raise the issue of third party suspects,
basically hampering the defense's allegations
of Odinism and human sacrifice.
It was a one-, maybe a two-page order saying that
we could not present any of that evidence at trial.
BRAD: She just flat out denied it,
essentially saying to Rick Allen that,
you know, if you think you're going to get away with
pointing fingers at these other people, you know,
you got another thing coming.
♪ ♪
JERRY: The bottom line is there was no connection,
no direct criminal nexus in that group of people
that, in my opinion,
the defense came out and falsely accused.
[dramatic music]
ALICE: The judge's ruling was
a devastating blow to the defense.
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BRAD: My professional opinion is
that to make this information public,
it was displeasing to the court.
And in hindsight, you know, it probably wasn't
the best way to garner judicial support.
Whether or not the Odinists are responsible
for the death of these girls,
I don't really have a personal opinion about that.
But what I do know for certain is,
this ruling stripped Rick Allen of the ability
to defend himself.
ANDY: Did it change our strategy?
I mean, the strategy went from third party suspect
to just plain old reasonable doubt.
There's reasonable doubt here.
We really believed that we were going to win.
We were going to be able to get Richard out of this
in spite of that ruling.
RON: Well before the trial, people took sides.
There were people who were pro Richard Allen
or against Richard Allen.
- Right here, a protest is gearing up.
"We love you, Rick Allen."
- We are pro prosecution here.
- There's no evidence connecting
Richard to the crime.
- I cannot declare
that Richard Allen is totally innocent.
- I really had a fear that we're not going to be able
to get a jury pool that hasn't formed an opinion
so that we could have a fair trial,
not only for the state, but for Richard Allen.
[suspenseful music]
♪ ♪
MARC: The trial for the man accused of killing
Abby Williams and Libby German begins tomorrow.
♪ ♪
- There was an influx of media here in Delphi.
A lot of people certainly got tired
of microphones in the face.
- The judge said she's not televising the trial.
♪ ♪
So people showed up hoping to hear
the evidence against Richard Allen.
- I'm from Atlanta, Georgia.
I was really concerned about the process
and whether or not a fair trial was going to happen.
- I have spent every day for almost four years
thinking about this case.
I need to know the evidence for myself.
SARAH: It was almost like a spectacle.
A woman was saying she flew in from Seattle
and brought her kids with her
because they wanted to walk the trail
and--like it was a tourist attraction.
- So the branch went from here to here.
It was this end where they were abducted.
- Only 24 people from the public
were allowed in each day, so people started lining up
the night before, hoping to be one of the first
24 people to get in.
- People were paying people to sit in line for them.
- At what point does people's interest in justice
become just a bloodlust for the gruesome details?
BECKY: It's free entertainment to them.
People tend to forget that the subjects of the story
are real people.
- It's been eight years of building up
and waiting and anticipation.
I told Libby I would be there for every second.
I was there for the entire trial, every day.
I did that for her.
♪ ♪
It was the least I could do.
[somber music]
- So as a memorial to Libby, I decided to do this tattoo.
♪ ♪
These coordinates here are where she is buried.
I've got a music note here.
She was a painter.
Got more music.
This here was for Mother's Day of 2016.
Libby gave me a pendant that said Mom.
I put all four of my girls' birthstones,
and it says Libby instead of Mom.
♪ ♪
[tense music]
♪ ♪
REPORTER: It's taken 7 1/2 years
to get to the official day of trial.
People I spoke to say they just want this to be over
so the entire community can heal.
TOM: It was definitely somber and kind of weird
that finally the time had arrived for the trial.
- Abby and Libby's families, they say they won't rest
until there's a conviction.
♪ ♪
MIKE: We sat through court every day.
We owed that to Abby and Libby.
We owed it to the prosecution team.
You know, we were there to support them.
BRETT: The strongest arguments
that were presented at trial by the prosecution
I think you can break into a few groups.
[suspenseful music]
The timeline-- it was Richard Allen
on the trail that day at the time of the murders.
♪ ♪
The bullet-- could they link the bullet
they had discovered at the crime scene
to Richard Allen?
And then the confessions where he says that
he did it-- can you believe them?
[soft music]
ALICE: When Richard Allen first spoke to the police
back in 2017, he puts himself squarely
in the middle of the crime scene
at the time the crime was being committed,
which investigators narrowed down
to roughly a 2-hour window between 2:13 and 4:00 PM.
TOM: Richard Allen says he was there
1:30 to 3:30.
Five years later,
on October 13, 2022,
when he's being interrogated by
Carroll County Chief Investigator Steve Mullen,
Richard Allen gives a different timeline.
ANDY: At 2:13 when
the famous video is taken,
Richard wasn't there.
He left the trails about 1:30.
And that's, you know--
that's what his--
what he told police.
ALICE: The defense argued that
this report was unreliable
because the officer didn't record the interview.
- He did not have it recorded.
We didn't see his notes.
TOM: The prosecution argues
the 1:30 to 3:30 timeline
is correct because police say
they see his car at 1:27.
REPORTER: The Carroll County prosecutor placing a car
that he says matches Richard Allen's
near the Monon High Bridge
between the time frame of 1:30 and 3:30,
which is what he originally said in his police interviews.
- I've looked at those videos.
The distance from the camera to the road,
the fact that it's moving,
it's super hard to identify a make or a model.
I just don't think that you can honestly say that
that is Richard Allen's car.
- Today, the focus is on an unspent bullet.
SARAH: The only piece of physical evidence
the state had was this unspent cartridge or bullet.
There was no other forensic evidence
tying him to this crime.
So the jurors were extremely attentive.
They were tuned in.
They were paying attention.
They were, you know, nodding.
TOM: The police and prosecutor are saying that
Richard Allen had his gun out, and he pulls it back
as, like, an intimidation method.
So when you do that, sometimes an unspent round will pop out.
REPORTER: She testified for hours
as to how she came to that conclusion.
She said it primarily came from markings left behind
that are unique to Allen's gun.
MIKE: Whether you want to believe the bullet was
a direct match or a direct tie,
that was heavily debated in court.
But there was forensic evidence
that proved that it did come from his gun.
- That discipline is far from an exact science,
and really relying on that uncycled round
to convict this guy would have been reckless.
- If that's the best they have to do, they're in trouble.
- This magic bullet to me was shaky ground.
♪ ♪
[soft tense music]
♪ ♪
NICOLE: It is day 11
of the Delphi double murder trial.
And today, the jury heard from the former lead psychologist
at Westville Correctional Facility.
- Dr. Monica Wala testified to hearing
a number of alleged verbal confessions
from Allen, including where he confessed
to killing Abby and Libby,
adding he was sorry for what he did.
Allen shared a timeline with Dr. Wala
of what happened on February 13th of 2017,
the day the girls were last seen alive.
♪ ♪
- The state heavily relied on this confession at trial.
- This is a very convincing confession
because of the detail.
TOM: This confession had details that allegedly
only the killer would know.
Richard Allen allegedly said that
he left his mother's house, and on the way home,
he stopped to get a six-pack of beer,
drank three at home,
and then headed out to the trails and bundled up.
♪ ♪
While he was on the trail, he saw Abby and Libby
and eventually followed them onto the bridge,
where he encountered them
and then took them down the hill.
And he said in his confession to her,
his intention was sexual in nature
and wanted to rape them.
And he saw a van arriving at the end of this very long
private driveway, which caused him to cross over
to the north side of the creek,
where eventually the girls' bodies were found.
♪ ♪
KAITLYN: Wala's testimony was questioned
by defense attorney Brad Rozzi.
♪ ♪
BRAD: Dr. Wala reported that Rick said many things to her
that were incriminating.
You know, and I'm not doing the math technically,
but I would say 98% of those things
were generic confessions and at a time
when even she acknowledged that
he was suffering from a state of psychosis.
KAITLYN: She admitted on the stand
to using a work computer to search for information
on people involved in the case,
information that the public would not know.
- It was revealed that she was interested
in the Delphi case even before
Richard Allen was arrested.
She joined Facebook groups in 2021.
And also, she stopped by the trail
before Rick was arrested to get more intelligence
about where this all happened.
ANDY: This person had no business,
no business being in Rick Allen's world at all.
BRAD: The idea that a van was involved
had probably been shared on social media dozens of times
throughout the five-year investigation.
It was not information that was really new.
RON: The state says that Dr. Wala
accurately reported what Mr. Allen said.
The defense says Dr. Wala's reports were tainted
by her outside knowledge of the case,
and also pointed out that about the time
Richard Allen started confessing,
he was losing touch with reality.
[tense music]
♪ ♪
ANDY: We were hoping to get the jury's mind
to at least consider that it's possible
that a man who "confessed" is actually innocent.
KAITLYN: The jury is going to have to weigh the confessions
that Richard Allen made while behind bars,
but the defense says those confessions are false.
♪ ♪
- Right now, closing arguments are underway
in the Delphi double murder trial.
BRETT: The prosecutor, Nick McLeland,
in his closing argument, made a very important point.
Libby wanted to work in law enforcement.
She wanted to solve crimes.
In a very real way, she did solve this crime.
Because she took that video,
she captured the image of her own murderer.
Had it not been for that, had it not been for the voice,
Richard Allen might never have been caught.
KAITLYN: During the prosecution's
closing arguments, they said Bridge Guy
was Richard Allen and walked through
a number of reasons why they believed that.
The state is officially done with their closing arguments.
Next will be the defense.
♪ ♪
- In this day and age, it's really hard for me
to accept the fact that there is not really
one iota of forensic evidence
that connects Richard Allen to this crime scene
or to the death of these two girls
and how there couldn't be some forensic DNA evidence
associated with Richard Allen,
except for the fact that
Richard Allen didn't commit this crime.
REPORTER: The fate of the man accused of killing
Delphi teens Abby Williams and Libby German in 2017
is now in the hands of the jury.
KATHY: I felt pretty positive that
they're going to make the right decision,
because reasonable doubt was written all over the place.
[chuckles]
[tense music]
- I said, you know what?
We can't do anything.
Turn it over to God.
MIKE: You're at the mercy of 12 people that I don't know,
and they're making the decision on
not only Richard Allen's fate, but ours as well.
- Those four days that we were waiting,
the jury was deliberating, were excruciating.
♪ ♪
- Eight years that I've lost
just waiting for something, anything.
♪ ♪
I'll not get that time back.
It still feels much like it did
the first day the girls were gone.
♪ ♪
[somber music]
Doing this park in honor of the girls
ensures that they'll never be forgotten.
♪ ♪
Libby's cousins and our kids, our family,
the little ones that Abby never got to meet,
they all get to play here.
♪ ♪
It doesn't make it hurt any less,
but it sure does feel good to come out here and see it,
and to be here and to give people a place to go.
Just run around and be kids.
Do what the girls did.
Healing?
Not--not yet.
That's--that's a work in progress.
♪ ♪
- Jurors preparing for their fourth day of deliberations
after working through part of the weekend.
- This was the first time in two years
that we all actually had some hope.
[suspenseful music]
On my phone conversations with Ricky,
I heard some joy in his voice.
♪ ♪
And I had some, too.
BRAD: Waiting for the verdict is a lot of anxiety.
- You're waiting and you're waiting.
- It's always hard waiting for the jury
to come back because you're just wondering,
what are they doing?
What are they thinking?
[dramatic music]
[suspenseful music]
♪ ♪
- Nobody made a sound when that jury came in.
- We didn't know which way it was going to go.
RON: As the jurors walked out, I looked at their faces.
I didn't see any of the jurors
making eye contact with Richard Allen.
And I remember when the verdict was announced,
somebody off to my left gasped.
♪ ♪
REPORTER: Guilty on all counts.
More than 7 1/2 years after the murders
of Delphi teens Abby Williams and Libby German,
a jury today said
Richard Allen is guilty of the crimes.
- Guilty!
[cheering]
- Yeah, yeah!
Guilty. Guilty!
- To hear the guilty verdict was kind of a relief.
- Yes! - Guilty!
- I'm grateful that we got justice when we did.
KAITLYN: Richard Allen's wife, Kathy, could not even stand
after the verdict was read,
and she actually had to be assisted to her feet.
- When I heard those words, guilty, it was shock.
Ricky looked confused.
And I wanted to stand there and scream for him.
[sobbing]
[somber music]
BECKY: The prosecution said,
we know this Bridge Guy took the girls.
And they proved Richard Allen was Bridge Guy.
- The people that matter were those 12 jurors.
And we have a system of justice that allows them to decide
the fate of a human being.
- Do you feel Richard Allen had a fair trial?
- Yes.
♪ ♪
REPORTER: Richard Allen sentenced to
the maximum 130 years in prison.
- I'd be remiss if I didn't thank
Abby and Libby themselves.
Without the efforts from those two little girls,
we wouldn't be here today.
So, Abby and Libby, thank you.
At this point, we don't believe
any other actors are involved.
If evidence comes out in the future to support that,
we'll obviously investigate that.
TOM: There are two sides to this case--
the people who think he was justly convicted
and people who think he was wrongly convicted.
I do believe that he is guilty of this crime.
- I think that Carroll County seems very divided
in terms of whether they believe
Richard Allen is guilty or not.
ARIELLE: I believe that
Richard Allen is an innocent man.
I have no idea who did this, and I think that person is
still here, is still out here.
- Richard Allen is guilty and always will be.
JULIA: I think most people are
somewhat satisfied that justice has been served.
LYNDA: I think there's a lot of people out there
that will go to their grave trying to help Richard Allen.
And it's not just about Richard Allen.
If they can do it to one man, they can do it to any of us.
ANDY: Lawyers are superstitious in nature.
So to state that we have a strong appeal
makes me nervous.
But we have a strong appeal.
- I know there's appeals that are coming,
but the process worked.
KATHY: I'm very hopeful for an appeal.
His clothes are still ready.
They're not going anywhere.
I've got everything ready for him to come home,
all of his favorite books.
It was definitely our dream to grow old together,
and it still is.
I'm looking forward to that.
I'm not giving up.
- How about we start to heal now?
How about we hit that reset button
and understand that justice in this country was served?
And if you don't like justice in this country,
go to another one.
Let's heal.
[soft music]
ANNA: You think hearing guilty is going to be enough,
and you think the sentencing is going to be enough,
and it's just not true.
It's just not that way.
This doesn't bring her back.
The girls are still gone.
- I think the conviction was, in a sense,
a scab over the wound,
but the scar is always going to be there.
BECKY: Delphi is a small town.
They were shaken.
People didn't lock their doors, lock up their cars.
And everybody does now.
- There is still some wariness that did not exist,
I would say, before that time.
- I miss what it was before.
- Yeah, definitely.
Just the safe, small town feeling that it had.
- Yeah.
When it wasn't the Delphi murders,
when it was just Delphi, Indiana.
- Yeah, definitely.
ANNA: The girls are gone,
but they didn't take away
everything beautiful here in Delphi.
BECKY: We're going to make the best of what we have
with the time that we have.
We want to make up to the kids and the grandkids
and go on
and live life like it used to be.
- My name is Hayden.
I'm 16.
We lost somebody who would have changed the world.
I try to be passionate about everything
that I do, too, because that's the way she was.
And it's all I can do is do what she couldn't.
CARRIE: Libby could have done so many things.
She had so many plans.
We lost a lot of sunshine without her.
[somber music]
- [laughs]
- It's definitely hard not having Libby here
for milestones in my life.
But it hurts even more not being there for hers
and knowing that I'll never get to go to her wedding
or I'll never get to meet her children.
ADDISON: They would both, I think,
be on a very successful, happy path right now.
ALLISON: I feel like both of them
would be making differences in the world
in their own little perky ways.
- We're like Gina and Pam.
- Always.
- I'm her bestie, I am. - She is.
- We gonna pose for this cam. - Cheese.
- We don't want your man.
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