- Okay. You want--let's see.
Oh, my gosh, our prom.
I got a cheap prom dress,
and he didn't mind wearing peach.
[laughs] He had peach on.
I think this one was in '90.
We just look like babies.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, my gosh, my aunt did my hair for our wedding.
Man, he was a good-looking guy. He still is, but...
[somber music]
[sighs] He was such--
He was so excited about having a girl.
He's a good daddy.
This is probably my favorite picture of us together.
These actually bring me joy because those were good times.
I just have to hope they're coming back, so...
[breathes deeply]
[chuckles sadly]
♪ ♪
OFFICER: Today is not a day to celebrate,
but the arrest of Richard M. Allen of Delphi
on two counts of murder is sure a major step
in leading to the conclusion
of this long-term and complex investigation.
♪ ♪
- I need people to know that my husband's not a monster.
He's not the monster that people think he is.
He's been accused of a horrendous crime...
[crying] Being charged with double homicide of two girls.
♪ ♪
[cries, sniffles]
I just need to get a breath. Okay.
- Yeah. [sobs]
♪ ♪
I met Richard through my cousin.
We went to school together,
but she thought we'd be a good match.
Call him Ricky.
That's how he introduced himself to me was,
"I'm Ricky."
He was really cute.
And he had kind of long, wavy blonde hair...
[chuckles] Beautiful, blue eyes.
He just was really sweet.
I mean, I hadn't met a guy like him before.
Ricky and I always felt a connection.
And we didn't care what people thought.
We were going to get married right out of high school.
♪ ♪
We had a daughter in 1994, Brittany.
Ricky is a wonderful, caring,
compassionate father.
Taking care of family was his top priority.
♪ ♪
We decided Delphi was a good place to raise a child,
so we did move there in 2006.
Ricky's always been in customer service.
At that point, he'd left Walmart and started at CVS.
♪ ♪
Brittany graduated in 2013,
and so she was going to college.
♪ ♪
Ricky had the day off on the 13th.
And I get home that evening,
and Ricky's laying on the couch.
I just remember sitting down on the couch,
and the news flash came on.
♪ ♪
He's like, "Well, what's going on?"
I said, "Well, the news is on,
and there's two girls missing in Delphi."
He's like, "What?"
I said, "They said they were out on the Monon Trail today."
He seemed very surprised.
And he's like, "Well, I was out on the trail today."
[sighs sharply, voice breaking] I'm like, "Did you see them?"
He says, "No."
♪ ♪
Ricky called the police department
to speak to the officers.
He was more than willing to help.
[dramatic music]
It was a couple days or more before they even talked to him.
He texted me and said, you know,
he met with this conservation officer.
Didn't give me his name.
They met at the Save A Lot grocery store.
It wasn't a big deal.
He goes, "Yeah, they just took my phone and looked at it,
and he handed it back."
♪ ♪
But then we heard nothing.
[scoffs] We heard nothing.
After the murders, we all were scared.
We didn't walk that trail
for a long, long time after that.
And in fact, Ricky said,
"I don't want you going out by yourself anymore."
But our lives went on.
Our lives went on. Everybody's lives went on.
It was like you went to work the next day.
I mean, what are you going to do?
The years went on.
♪ ♪
Not one person says a word for five or six years.
And all of a sudden, officers came to our door
and knocked on our door
and wanted to know if they could talk to him.
- [speaks indistinctly]
KATHY: They're like, well, we'd like
for to come down to the station.
[laughter]
- It started out just kind of nice, you know,
questions here and there and--
- And then they started drilling him
and asking him, "The picture, is this you?"
RICKY: Mm-hmm.
[Ricky scoffs]
- Ricky knew something wasn't right
when he was being interrogated.
- He said he felt like he was being accused
of something he didn't do.
The next thing you know, they're coming to the house
with a search warrant.
You know, my husband and I are sitting in our van
in our driveway just waiting for them to be done.
I'm crying.
Ricky was trying to console me,
because I was just like, "What is happening?
And why would they even ask you these questions?"
Of course, our neighbors are going by.
We were mortified.
We were so embarrassed to have vans
and cop cars all over our house.
Somewhere along the lines, Ricky said something like,
"Well, it's over.
It doesn't matter anymore."
And then they said, "Well, we're taking your car."
So they drag our car out on a flatbed.
[crying] So, yeah, that was a pretty bad day.
The 26th of October is when we went to pick up our car.
[somber music]
We get asked if we could clear up a few things.
Ricky's like, "Well, sure."
Gives me, you know, his coat and such
and goes into a room by himself.
MIKE: Very early on in the investigation,
there had been a bullet found down at the crime scene.
The bullet was unspent.
In other words, it had not been fired.
- Okay--
- Okay.
- So they have me go in and sit down with Ricky.
- Hug you.
- My husband says to me, "You know me."
♪ ♪
[crying] He goes, "You know I'm not capable
of something like that."
♪ ♪
And then, finally,
Holeman came back in the room...
and he started hollering at Ricky
and slamming his fist on the table.
He said, "You're going to tell me you did it!"
♪ ♪
- My husband's looking at me with these eyes like,
"You know I didn't do anything."
And I had no reason to not believe him, none.
I have no reason whatsoever.
[dramatic music]
- They said they were going to detain my husband
and that I was free to leave.
♪ ♪
I do remember Ricky telling me that I needed to get a lawyer.
When I retain that lawyer, he goes, you know,
"I'm going to get your husband out of there tonight."
But then he calls me back later that same evening and says,
"I'm not going to be able to get your husband out
because they're going to charge him tomorrow with murder."
♪ ♪
BECKY: It was a Wednesday.
They called us in.
- It came out of nowhere.
- Every time something like that would happen,
you'd get your hopes up, that, oh, my God, this is it.
- He said, "Anna, we're going to make an arrest."
- They told us, they had somebody in custody.
- And he will officially be charged
with Abby and Libby's murder.
[somber music]
REPORTER: Today was a sigh of relief
for the families, investigators,
and the Delphi community.
50-year-old Richard Allen has been charged
with two counts of murder.
Investigators say he was hiding in plain sight.
CARRIE: I'd always been told that when I saw the killer,
I would just know it in my gut that it was him.
It made me sick to my stomach
to actually be looking at a picture of him.
♪ ♪
- I was floored, quite honestly,
that we really had somebody living amongst us
that had done this and never let on.
TOM: In Delphi and the online community,
there's just this general sense of relief
that finally this may have been solved.
- It's just a big relief, really is.
- I'm overwhelmed.
I mean, I knew that it was going to happen someday.
- My reaction, along with a lot of other people, was,
I've never heard of this guy.
ARIELLE: When I heard Rick Allen was arrested,
I was shocked.
- Many of you on social media--
on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook--
are asking, "Who is Richard Matthew Allen?"
His home, less than 2 miles from the trail
where the young girls vanished.
Police releasing two sketches of the suspect,
always warning, he could be a member of the community.
A photo at a local bar where Allen was a regular
shows him standing with one of those suspect sketches
behind him.
- Delphi is a very small town,
and we found out that he worked one block
from the police station, at the CVS Pharmacy.
ARIELLE: I mean, CVS is, like,
the most frequented store in Delphi.
- How did so many people walk past him every day
and not call it in?
- Nobody recognized that voice? Nobody recognized that face?
- How did he fly under the radar so long?
And how did police finally find him?
[dramatic music]
♪ ♪
CREW MEMBER: All right, this is an interview
with Brett and Alice-- take one, marker.
- This case is not about Richard Allen.
It's about Abby and Libby.
- Both of us are practicing prosecutors.
We started The Prosecutors Podcast.
BRETT: We've been doing the podcast now
for about five years.
- He was the one who put himself on police radar.
BRETT: It turns out, the police had evidence
that Richard Allen had been involved in this
from the very beginning.
MIKE: Within a week after the homicide took place,
Richard Allen had called in himself
and told investigators that he was out on the bridge that day.
BRETT: A conservation officer had taken a report
from Richard Allen.
ALICE: He wrote the report up.
- It was misfiled, and it was left behind.
GRAY: Why do you think the report
never made it in front of the right person?
- Unfortunately, with things that we couldn't control,
it got mislabeled, misfiled, never got to the right person.
- The tip was lost,
essentially for about five years.
BRETT: Years later, a volunteer
was looking through the files.
ALICE: Kathy Shank was retired
and devoting her time volunteering
for the cold case.
REPORTER: When you opened up that drawer,
what went through your mind?
- I realized
that I had not heard of this person.
- She recognized what no one had recognized before.
ALICE: She saw that this was someone putting himself
at the scene of the crime.
She pulled that tip, and she brought it to Sheriff Liggett,
imploring him to look into it.
♪ ♪
[dramatic music]
BRETT: So this tip is taken by Kathy Shank
to Sheriff Liggett, and he immediately recognizes,
this is something we need to follow up on.
- What was the moment that you knew, this is the guy?
JERRY: I think during the first interview,
he just described himself as "bridge guy."
♪ ♪
- When he wouldn't allow us to look at his phone
or get his DNA, we were able to apply and obtain
a search warrant for his residence.
BRETT: They're starting to find things
that connect him to the crime.
ALICE: Law enforcement found a gun
that they were able to tie to an unspent bullet
found at the scene of the crime.
BRETT: Now, remember, the girls weren't shot.
They were stabbed.
But we believe the perpetrator may have racked his gun
to intimidate them, which could have caused a bullet
to fall out at the crime scene.
When a bullet goes through a gun,
whether it's ejected from a gun or fired from a gun,
the gun can leave certain markings.
And you can use those markings to match a bullet
to a gun.
SHAUN: My name is Shaun Jaikissoon.
I've worked for the NYPD for 20 years.
I was assigned to the Firearms Division.
I'm looking at the lab report
from Indiana State Police Laboratory,
and it says they found
that the live cartridge was cycled
from Richard Allen's SIG Sauer, model 226.
I think the firearms examiner came to a finding
that I agree with,
but there is an error rate.
People challenge this science all the time,
and I do think in this particular case
that a second look would be beneficial.
♪ ♪
- When police searched the home, something else happened--
something small but significant for the investigators.
♪ ♪
JERRY: I told Richard Allen
I was going to do a walkthrough and why,
and that if we did destroy anything,
it wasn't going to be on purpose
and that there's a process.
And he made the comment, "It doesn't matter.
It's over anyway."
I asked him what he meant by it.
He just said, "Well, you've talked to these people,
and they all think I'm guilty, and my life's over anyway."
All right, Rick, this is...
That's just weird to me
that an innocent person would say that.
RICKY: Mm-hmm.
I offered him a polygraph.
He refused multiple times.
And then I said, "You know, if you're innocent,
take the effing polygraph."
- When I really got angry is when he said that,
"You're going to pay for this."
And I said, "No."
♪ ♪
JERRY: We served multiple search warrants
on people and people's property,
and nothing came back to establish probable cause
on those people.
The only person that we established
probable cause to make an arrest on
was Richard Allen.
- I was just in disbelief.
I contacted lawyers immediately.
♪ ♪
ANDY: My name is Andy Baldwin.
I am a criminal defense trial attorney.
I've been practicing over 30 years now.
- I've been practicing law for about 30 years.
- Almost 25 years.
- I'm having flashbacks here.
I got involved in the Delphi case
in November of 2022.
Within days of being hired, we went and saw Rick.
BRAD: The first time we met with Rick
was at Westville Correctional Facility.
- We sat down, and we didn't know anything,
so we're just trying to get to know the guy.
- His head was essentially spinning.
You know, he was confused.
He didn't really know how he landed where he landed.
ANDY: He's like, "I don't know why I'm here.
I didn't do this."
Brad and I--
I remember, we went out into the parking lot,
and we just looked at each other
and were like, holy crap, this guy's innocent.
And now we really have our work ahead of us.
♪ ♪
And by the way, it wasn't a tip Kathy Shank found.
It was Richard Allen coming forward
and trying to help find the killer.
They had thousands of tips.
Not one of them was about Richard Allen,
not one of them.
- The way I understand this is, that information--
What we learned early on about the case
was what the whole world was learning,
and that was, Rick Allen became a suspect overnight,
and then he was arrested really shortly after that,
within weeks.
We had a probable-cause affidavit,
and that was four or five pages.
And, you know, that had the basic facts in it
but not really a lot of detail.
- Richard Allen has no criminal history.
Richard Allen has never been in trouble before.
We were trying to make sense of how in the world
Richard Allen was accused of a crime that he didn't commit.
[groans]
BRAD: Because of the volume of discovery
that had been created over the five-year-long investigation,
we retrieved a box that had a bunch of hard drives in it,
and maybe there was 18 to 20 or more
of these hard drives.
We later learned that it was, like,
20 terabytes of information.
- You're talking about 4 million pieces of paper.
- As it turns out, there were dozens of suspects,
at least 10 of which were viable.
And the idea that there were other suspects
that were not part of the probable-cause affidavit
was kind of shocking.
Like, Ron Logan, another suspect
who was one of the top suspects in the case
and could have been at that crime scene
on that day.
♪ ♪
[dramatic music]
♪ ♪
- The bodies of two girls were found
on Ron Logan's property.
He was one of the first people
that we looked at.
BRETT: There's one thing that's true.
If a dead body is found in your property,
someone's obviously been murdered,
police are going to look at you.
MIKE: Ron Logan was known to law enforcement
for problems with drinking and driving.
♪ ♪
- The day after the girls were found,
I was driving in the area.
And the Indianapolis TV stations were interviewing
Ron Logan just before I got there.
RON LOGAN: The area that they were in
is very hard to get to.
I mean, you can't get there unless you walk there.
I mean, so...
somebody had to be walking with them or something.
- He didn't seem bothered by it, undone by it,
unnerved by it.
- Ron Logan is understandably suspect number one.
MIKE: We learned on February 13, 2017,
Ron Logan had taken trash to the transfer station
just outside of Delphi.
That was about approximately 11:53 a.m.,
and he was there till about 11:58.
What was strange about it was, he had no license.
♪ ♪
So he wasn't supposed to be driving.
On February 17th, Ron Logan met with police.
He told them his alibi--
that his cousin had picked him up
and took him to the fish store
so that he could purchase fish.
He told police that he was nowhere near the crime scene
when the murders took place.
So we went and talked to Ron Logan's cousin.
And for a long time, he kept saying,
yes, I picked him up from his house.
We went to Lafayette to the fish store.
And I said, look, we're just trying to figure out
who killed these beautiful little girls.
His whole face just changed.
You could tell it affected him.
And I said, "You lied for Ron, didn't you?"
And he said, "Yes."
♪ ♪
- So law enforcement, of course,
gets a search warrant for Ron Logan's house.
- More than a dozen officers
from local, state, and federal agencies
are serving a search warrant right now
on that home right there-- you can see that white house.
- They found some odd things in the house.
MIKE: A large amount of guns and knives
were located in his residence.
Those guns filled the back
of our Sheriff's Department minivan
from the floor to the ceiling, plus the front seat.
REPORTER: Now, the bodies of Abby Williams and Libby German
were found just a short walk through those woods.
ANDY: They found Abby and Libby's names
on a calendar with the date that they were found.
TOM: The FBI says that his phone was near the crime scene
and bridge at 2:09,
which is four minutes before Libby's famous video.
♪ ♪
- Later that evening, at 10:16,
Ron Logan received a text message that showed him
in close proximity to where the girls' bodies were found.
♪ ♪
- It seemed like things just kept piling up.
BRAD: Ron Logan did have a history
of being violent with women.
ANDY: Even Ron Logan's girlfriend has said,
that's the guy.
She's out there on, you know, different media sources saying,
"The guy I saw walking on the bridge was Ron Logan."
ASHLEIGH: When you saw the video,
heard about "bridge guy," got that sinking feeling
that "bridge guy" was your ex-boyfriend, Ron Logan,
did you tell the police?
- I did. I called in.
I called in three or four times, actually.
JERRY: We looked into it, searched his house,
several search warrants on him and his property,
and found no evidence connecting him
to the crime scene or the crimes.
ALICE: Investigators looked at cell phone pings,
but there wasn't good cell phone coverage.
So, when you have spotty cell phone coverage,
you can often have pings that don't quite pinpoint
where the phone is coming from.
When investigators dug a little bit deeper,
they realized he lied for another reason.
He was doing something else illegal.
BRETT: Ron Logan lied
not because he was trying to cover up a murder,
but because he was trying to cover up
another crime he had committed, driving without a license.
ALICE: Ron Logan was charged
with driving on a suspended license,
and he was ultimately sentenced to prison time.
REPORTER: Logan has been in jail since March 13th,
after police found out he'd violated his probation
by driving to the dump on that February day
and drinking at a restaurant in Americus.
- I believe that he is still a viable suspect
as we sit here today.
I just think that their attention
was redirected somewhere else.
ALICE: Ron Logan wasn't the only suspect.
Tips were flowing in from all over Delphi,
all over the nation...
including a known sexual predator
who was talking to one of the victims
close in time to the murders.
♪ ♪
ANNA: Abby and Libby--
they had a really nice little group of friends,
very sweet, very polite.
The girls had sleepovers on different occasions
and seemed to entertain themselves pretty well.
[dramatic music]
- It was my sleepover that we were at...
when my sister and her friend
were talking to someone on the Internet,
and Liberty and I were kind of just, like, in the background,
watching, observing.
They thought, you know, he was fun and cool.
And he was like, oh, I have another friend
I think you guys would like, which was Anthony Shots.
♪ ♪
And so then they were, like, DM-ing him.
And he had said that he was from around here.
And Liberty was like, "Hmm, I don't know him,
and I know everyone around here."
So then she was like, well, let me DM him.
He was giving them two different answers.
"Oh, I'm from Delphi,"
or "Oh, I'm from, like, Lafayette."
It was just like, he didn't know where he was from.
It started to make them question, who am I talking to?
♪ ♪
- I wasn't aware that they were still talking.
♪ ♪
MIKE: Libby's phone was found at the crime scene.
We were able to get into her phone
and discovered Libby had been speaking
to an Anthony Shots.
♪ ♪
Libby thought Anthony Shots was this young model
shown to her by social media.
- And they were trading chats back and forth, back and forth.
But there was no model behind Anthony Shots.
MIKE: In reality, Libby had been speaking with a person
by the name of Kegan Kline.
♪ ♪
- Kegan Kline was in his 20s, unemployed,
and living at his dad's house
approximately 30 to 40 minutes from Delphi.
MIKE: He liked to catfish girls for nude pictures
and anything else
that he thought he could obtain from them.
[siren wailing]
ALLISON: They took basically every electronic device I had
so they could go through it,
just in case there was anything on it
from the sleepover that took place.
TOM: Police discovered that he chatted
the night before the murders with Libby.
BRETT: And those communications
appeared to be sexually motivated.
TOM: Police raided Kegan Kline's house
on February 25, 2017.
They found a bunch of his phones,
including over 100 videos and photos
of naked underage girls.
- Do you think it could have been Kegan?
Do you think maybe they were, perhaps,
wanting to meet Kegan or a cute boy
at the trail or--
- I don't think Kegan was out there.
I mean, evidence indicates that he was not.
♪ ♪
- The wild thing for a lot of people about Kegan Kline--
they find this material in 2017.
He's not charged till 2020,
when he was charged with 30 felonies.
REPORTER: Kegan Kline has been sentenced
to 40 years in prison
on charges of child exploitation
and child pornography.
- They're able to declare that he is not related
to the homicides whatsoever.
- Just because he was talking to the girls the night before
doesn't make him a killer.
- Looking into Kegan,
I spent a few hundred hours making a very long video.
As I investigated him-- quote, unquote--
I sent him a letter, and he agreed to talk to me.
And I talked to him for, like, 14 minutes.
[line beeps]
- Police learned, his phone was pinging in his home in Peru
nowhere near Delphi that day.
MIKE: They didn't find any real solid evidence
that he had anything to do
with the murders of Abby and Libby.
RON WILKINS: Anytime there was a search warrant served
was a hopeful moment for the community,
but there were lots of those.
Early on, those hopeful moments became fewer and fewer
as the weeks wore on and turned into months,
turned into years.
- There was a lot working against us.
A crime of this type, with the publicity,
the seriousness of it,
it just was beyond anything we had ever had happen
in this county,
let alone in the state of Indiana.
ANDY: It's very difficult to enumerate all of the issues
involving law enforcement.
- 70 days of interviews were lost,
key interviews.
- We did not intentionally erase
or lose any audio/videotaped statements.
I mean, I thought we checked the recording system.
Technology's great when it works, but it just happened.
And it's unfortunate, but it happens in every investigation.
- They didn't collect the sticks immediately,
which were on the girls.
And what could have been on those sticks?
DNA, hair, fiber, whatever.
We don't know because they remained out there.
- They just didn't have a handle on the complexity
and the scope of the investigation.
And then you invite the public into that investigation,
which they did.
- There were thousands of tips.
- They couldn't manage that.
JENNIFER: There was too much information,
and it wasn't organized.
And it just made for a complete mess
of an investigation.
- None of the errors or technical difficulties
that we had were intentional.
- So I question everything that those guys did.
But, meanwhile, Richard is in this prison
up in northern Indiana,
and he just started to deteriorate.
He was in a bad way.
KATHY: The lawyers were able to get me in there to see him,
probably six months into him being arrested.
Ricky looked like a little old man.
[sniffles]
He was like a zombie.
[crying] I was scared...
because he was saying all kinds of weird things.
♪ ♪
[cell door buzzes]
He sounded like a robot, and I said, "No, you didn't."
I said, "They're messing with you in there."
[somber music]
[line clicks]
- The first time I became aware of Rick's confessions
was about 6:00 in the morning.
As I was traveling to work,
I received a phone call from Kathy Allen,
and Kathy was hysterical.
[dramatic music]
TOM: In June 2023, they release some court records,
which revealed that he started confessing to his family.
And people online were shocked.
It definitely seemed like people
who thought he was guilty--
they heard that he was confessing, and they said,
okay, obviously, he's guilty-- he's confessing.
But other people who think he's innocent said,
well, he has mental issues.
BRAD: When I first met Richard Allen,
he was generally stable,
but his deterioration was rapid.
JENNIFER: Richard Allen was in solitary confinement
beginning about November 5, 2022.
And these incriminating statements, if you will,
started in April, so five or six months.
His mental health absolutely plummeted
during that time period.
PERSON: The old, creaking chair.
- I was asked by the Human Rights Watch...
to tour Westville supermax prison.
[cell door buzzes]
We went, and we looked, and we were horrified
by what we saw.
The cells were extremely austere.
There is no real window.
There's a deafening silence in the cell.
In the United Nations standards,
more than 15 days of solitary confinement
is a human-rights abuse or torture.
ANDY: Richard Allen was in there
for 12, almost 13 months in solitary confinement.
TERRY: Some people break down in a day,
some people in a few weeks.
Most people within a month or two
are going to have very serious mental problems.
13 months is an extraordinarily long time
in solitary confinement.
- I mean, 13 months is a long time,
but guys do it for 30 years, too.
PERSON: You can take a seat.
- [clears throat]
[somber music]
JOHN: I was former warden,
Westville Correctional Facility.
Westville houses about 3,200 incarcerated individuals,
from low to maximum security.
It's not a bed-and-breakfast.
He got his rec time every day, if he choose.
He got showers every day.
He saw mental health every day.
He had more contact than most.
Was there a camera in his cell? Yeah.
You know, what caused that? His actions.
A lot of times when he went out,
he would be in a ballistic vest for his protection.
Handcuffs, leg irons, and restraint chain--
the officer in the back will hold the leash
in case he pulls away.
Why the confessions?
That's a question for Richard, but he did it several times.
TERRY: In the legal system,
the fact that they said something strange
is held against them.
But in the psychiatric world, we are very skeptical
about comments coming from someone
who's in the midst of a mental-health crisis.
JOHN: Do I think his conditions of confinement
were abusive? No.
Do I think they were ideal?
It's not a Marriott. It's what the judge ordered.
He was kept in a cell.
Mostly, it was for his protection.
His crimes were known to the inmate population.
[indistinct chatter]
- I don't know how you can have justice with injustice.
These girls deserve justice.
They...
The right person or persons...
need to be found,
instead of just going with...
what you believe.
- I believe in a God
of justice and righteousness.
Today I believe that same God has provided us
with justice for Abby and Libby.
BECKY: I asked them.
I said, "Do you have enough evidence to convict him?
If you were sitting in our shoes,
would you be okay with what you have?"
And they said yes.
BRAD: We're representing a man that we felt was innocent.
ANDY: Now we really have our work ahead of us.
Going through the mounds and mounds of evidence
morning and noon and night,
I was sitting at my desk back here
on, like, a Saturday morning, I remember.
And that's when I stumbled upon a piece of paper.
And holy cow.
My mind exploded.
Like, wow, there's evidence here that somebody else
might have committed the crime.
- There were hallmarks at the crime scene
that suggested that there was some ritualistic activity--
the position of the girls' bodies at the scene,
these sticks that were clearly placed on the girls,
the blood spatter
that seemed to be in the form of a letter F.
- The defense was hoping that they could get
those outrageous conspiracy theories out there,
and I thought that was wrong.
- If you follow the evidence,
that's where it leads you.
- You don't kill those girls the way you do
and leave them that way without it meaning something.
The truth's going to come out.
You can't hide the truth forever.
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